I had a geography professor once who opined that how you described the CA hills in summer said a lot about your disposition towards the state. ‘Golden’ vs ‘brown’ 
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Southern CA is green maybe 4-5 months out of the year at best. The rest of time it can be rather…sere.
A California burrito is a big thick burrito on a large tortilla, stuffed with carne asada, french fries, and some combination of cheese, guacamole, pico de gallo, and/or sour cream. They are very filling and very delicious and probably monstrously unhealthy for you.
When served in a clamshell minus the tortilla, it becomes San Diego’s gift to the world, carne asada fries;
If that were a true 'berto’s, it’d be called Alibertosjrsberto’s.
Our of curiosity, how big is it? I’m in the Bay Area - an expensive part but not the most expensive part - and that’s very cheap around here.
Three bedroom, two bath, 1,288 sq. ft. on a 6,300 sq. ft. lot. Attached garage. Built in 1960.
I’m from San Diego and Los Angeles, and I only had my first California burrito a couple of months ago. They originated in San Diego in the '80s, and I moved to live with dad to L.A. County (Lancaster) in the mid-'70s. I grew up with San Diego-style burritos, which later included California burritos. San Diego-style burritos typically had meat, cheese, lettuce, salsa, and sour cream (and sometimes guacamole). Mission-style burritos, containing rice and beans, were the other ones. I always preferred San Diego-style, since I like the meat. Anyway, no fries.
As for the California burrito I had, it was good. I would still prefer the (original) San Diego-style, but the California was tasty and I can splurge on carbohydrates once in a while.
We spoke to a lawyer about extending my work permit, and it turns out that it’s going to be easier for my wife to get a work permit based on her accounting job, and then I’ll qualify for an open spousal work permit. So, yay- no immediate decisions.
I still like the idea of moving to San Diego, if we can afford it. I strongly hinted that to the HR person I’m dealing with, and she reiterated that they’d be willing to consider me for a promotion which would mean a sizeable bump in salary… but only if I moved there. It sounds like they want me to take the leap to possibly get the promotion, and I can’t take that chance. Luckily, I’ll be able to stay here for two more years to convince them that they should offer me the promotion before we move there.
And just to make things particularly complicated, I spoke to another recruiter this morning, for a different company. The new company offers more than I’d be making at the San Diego company, and it’s fully remote… but it’s a management position, and I’m not a big fan of being management.
When my boss retired, I took her Data Operations Manager position. So now I’m a manager. Only… I don’t have any staff. 
Given the direction California is moving as a whole, who would more there? I’ve lived in Sattle and Los Angeles and I would move back to Seattle in a heartbeat if I could afford to. Meanwhile I dread the once every few years I have to travel to Southern California.
Maybe not, since the beef is a lower fat cut, and the beans are healthy. Better than 99% of fast food, anyway. But there is the dreaded “burrito coma” from eating a large one. Maybe getting all those calories in one sitting is not the best idea.
Remote work is going away at the current time. If you are gonna work remote, why move at all?
Watching Fox news? CA is not moving anywhere bad at all. Crime is low, weather is not that bad (hot yes, but only in the summer, but not as bad as Az, TX NM, FLA, etc etc etc),
CA is about in the middle of the states in crime rate, okay it is 19th, but lower than WA & TX, etc.
No. It’s called moving from there and still having friends and family there that I communicate with.
Do be careful. Nice while it lasts, but it resulted in redundancy for me.
Where did you move?
And why are they saying it’s bad here? because it is not. Housing prices are high, but that’s about it.
Despite GOP propaganda, crime ins not rampant.
Yeah, but to fair you moved from stinking Los Angeles 
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California is awesome. That is when it’s not burning, being flooded, shaking apart, you’re being smoked out, are priced out or are stuck on the southbound I-5 in LA in rush hour. Other than that, it’s great!
Where do you live in California? Mine are in the LA area and furthermore there are more things to consider than just crime. Taxes, traffic, homelessness, etc. But I take it your position is my family and friends are wrong and tools of the GOP and you are correct in your assessment.
SoCal. Where do you live?
CA is not cheap for two taxes. But Property tax is very low. So overall, CA has the 12th highest tax burden .
Traffic is not that bad,. Not good either.
No, what I am saying is that the anecdotal views of one group are not as valuable as actuall facts and statistics.
Cost of living really only matters when you’re moving. Wages are based on the local costs - otherwise, people wouldn’t be able to live there - and how occupation A compares to occupation B. Basically, you end up with the same relative wealth compared to others, that you had on your previous location, in the new location.
That said, if you’re able to save money then it’s better to be in a high cost of living location. 5% savings on an income in Switzerland is going to be more than 5% savings on an income in Mexico. Eventually, you’ll have more real retirement dollars by having worked in the higher cost of living location.
But, moving into a higher cost location is going to require more up capital.
I couldn’t say which is actually more expensive of the two cities but there are online calculators that will tell you.
I’d say that the biggest difference other than the weather is that San Diego is prime real estate for the wealthy. There’s a nice, temperate, green zone along the coast but it’s pretty narrow and there’s no real estate available in that zone for less than a million dollars. Outside of that zone, it tends to be hot and yellow. You’ll be forced to live in the dry zone, about 30-60 minutes out of the city, if you want a house.
In Seattle, while you probably do need to go out East fairly far if you want a proper McMansion, you can have a simple house near the city and it will be green and lush.
Seattle is far more weeaboo and fringe, with lots of nerds to hang out with. San Diego has a larger variety of classes, world views, and ideologies.
I’d check the schools. The bottom rung in San Diego is probably worse but it’s probably easier to find normal, apolitical, serious teachers in San Diego since they’re serving a fairly large group of scientists and military.
Comparing states by tax burden probably doesn’t work.
Imagine that state A has a corporate tax of 20% and no other taxes and state B has an income tax of 20% and no other taxes. In both states, there’s one corporation that employs all of the workers and that same company also provides 100% of all their daily needs and services. All money stays in the state and all products and services stay in the state. These are both closed systems.
If the citizens of state A buy $100m worth of products and services then 20% of that will be removed as “corporate tax”, giving the corporation only $80m for its operating costs. Since we’re dealing with a closed system, all $80m is divided between the citizens. On the following day, they’d either have to buy $80m of product and services - implying a spiraling implosion of the economy as time progresses - or they’d have to be getting $20m in value back from the government in order to have $100m worth of money to spend tomorrow and keep the whole system stable. If it’s not imploding then we can safely assume that the state government is distributing the $20m back to the people.
The take-home income for the workers is $80m and their tax rate is 0%.
In state B, the workers spend $100m in a day. The company distributes that to the workers but the government removes $20m as income tax. Again, to keep the economy from spiraling into nothing, the government must redistribute the money back to the workers so they have $100m the next day.
The take-home income for the workers is $80m and their tax rate is 20%.
There’s actually no real difference between these two examples except vocabulary. A sales tax, a corporate tax, and an income tax are largely equivalent. It’s the question of how the money gets redistributed that matters more and even that is liable to run into related issues. When you take money from one place, it raises or lowers wages and prices in that sub-region of the economy, which has knock-on effects that effectively equalize the system out again so that there’s no functional difference. You’ll see some effect during the transitionary phase but not in the long run.
You’re better off to look at the total operating budget of the state, per capita. That (mostly) saves you from having to track down all of the sources of income and crank through macroeconomic calculations. It misses the matter that state revenue could be coming through Federal grants that were raised out-of-state, but I suspect that to be a fairly small effect.
That all said, for specific groups, taxational differences can matter. An income tax is generally going to hit working adults and bypass retirees, while a sales tax hits both. Taxational differences can have some non-illusory effects but you probably need to factor in your personal tax burden for the two locations being compared, not some apersonal average. It mostly matters when you’re moving from one system to a second system. If you always stay in the one system then the local economy will adjust to remove any advantage.
I’ve known a few people who moved out of California because “it was too expensive.” They soon found out that they weren’t going to be making nearly as much money as they made in California. And the thing is, once you move away, you are less likely to be able to afford to move back. One friend who moved to Texas a few years ago is desperate to come back to California, but he’s essentially stuck there.
Here is the story of one Californian who moved to Texas - and then moved back.
The thing that struck me was the energy bills in Texas, which I would have assumed to be low, and the lack of public land.
The guy moved from San Diego, so this is a bit relevant to the thread, at least.
It is from a few years ago, so he doesn’t even mention politics. That would be a problem today.
Yeah, CA does have great jobs.
But housing is fucking expensive. That I will admit.
Okay, I answered your question. Your turn.
Good article- "And Austin is hot. It’s not California hot; it’s Texas hot. California heat is weak by comparison. In much of California the temperature cools down at night. You can open windows, breathe fresh air, and drastically limit your utility bill. In Austin, it would only get down to a smothering 80 degrees at night during the summer. This means your AC will be running all day and all night. Evening walks are less than refreshing when it’s 11 p.m. and you’re sweating. It’s hard to describe how oppressive it is."