I’d call Palin a prominent person on the right, and her camp spent the day scurrying to remove all traces of those crosshairs aimed at this woman’s name on their website. Surely there was no ill-intent involved in symbolically aiming a gun at her on their website.
Frankly? No.
Once again I find myself in the presence of a statement so perfectly insane that there really is nothing to do but to let it stand on it’s own. Anyone that has so much as purchased a Palin bumper sticker or watched the O’Reilly factor is also to blame for this shooting regardless of their actual reasons for doing so. A perfectly sound argument to make.
Aw. I never count.
Why do you think there would be an armed insurrection if Sarah Palin had been the one shot? Were the ratings of her reality show that high?
I’d say that anyone that thinks Sarah Palin has anything relevant to say is delusional.
I also believe that most sane people no matter their political affiliation think Sarah is unelectable for (quote your reasons). She also is not a current serving social servant (she’d CRINGE at that title!) or is she doing anything other than ghost-written books and winky-Joe speaking tours.
She’s a joke. Everyone knows it now. Get real.
I happen to agree with the general sentiment here that she’s basically crazy.
That doesn’t make her or anyone like her an accessory to murder, though. Some of you keep missing that. There is no 2nd Amendment Army of AR-15 armed crazies about to take down your passive resistance, liberals. Its OK.
For what it’s worth, the sheriff in Pima, Arizona had this to say about the shooting:
There is still a significant (read Millions of people) group who do not think she’s crazy. There a millions who think she would make the best President EVER, and that she is fantastic. There are millions who think that Beck and Limbaugh speak THE TRUTH, all the time.
From these millions, there are a very small subset who will take their insane ramblings about muslim socialists seriously. There is a smaller subset who will take their oblique references to “the second amendment” and crosshairs on politicians literally.
An assassination attempt was predicted months ago.
Of course the gunman will be crazy. A sane person does not shoot people. Unfortunately, he just MIGHT have been tipped over the edge by the stupid things said by some on the right.
Accessory to murder is strong for some. For me at least. I simply think that her words and actions have repercussions. People are listening to her. Her twitter farts make news as if they were credible opinions. Networks repeat her facebook posts. People follow her book tours. While a majority think she’s unelectable, enough do that even the possibilty of her running gets serious consideration. Simply put, there are people that take her seriously, and Glenn Beck seriously, and Rush Limbaugh seriously. Hell, I work with a person who can tell you at great length how society is near collapse and how Glenn Beck is right. Dude has a bunker stocked with food for just such an occasion.
To say that no one believes these people or takes them seriously is simply wrong.
I don’t think the crazies out there need any inciting from the likes of Palin. Having said that, her rhetoric certainly doesn’t help the pursuit of civil discourse.
My personal view is why take the chance? Crazies might not always need an excuse, but they don’t need the push either and even reasonable people can be stirred into something rash. Think of the various vandalisms and death threats that have been popping up in recent months. Can all of them be attributed to crazies?
And saying it is detrimental to civil discourse seems to be understating it just a bit. It’s certainly not as republic destroying as some would have you think, but people have and are going to continue to get hurt. The talk nowdays is so severe that I can look back fondly on the comparative reasonableness of Ann Coulter.
Even crazy plans need to start with an idea.
No one except a liar can deny that the right has been pushing the heck out of this violent rhetoric.
That rhetoric gives people, crazy or not, ideas they might not otherwise have.
How do you think the stupider birther conspira y started, by lots of people who don’t need inciting having sudden private personal insights?
Of course not. That’s stupid.
There was incitement, and it was effective.
Just like this morning.
So this dude was incited by rhetoric? Rightest rhetoric, no less.
Not by any account I have ever heard. He has no discernible ideology that I’m aware of. Politicize apparently senseless tragedy more, please. Moderates like me really appreciate it.
I don’t think the right wing is inciting any of the crazies out there. Nobody is going to shoot somebody just because Sarah Palin or Glen Beck said it was a good idea. The craziness already exists.
But people like Palin and Beck are responsible for the fact that they’re offering guidance to crazies. They’re not saying “Go out and shoot somebody.” But they are saying “But if you are going to shoot somebody, here’s some suggestions on who it should be.”
He’s crazy, that’s for sure. But if you watch his YouTube videos, you can glean some of his views.
*Only currency backed by precious metals is valid.
*The department of education is unconstitutional.
*Politicians need to read the constitution.
*Too many people in his district don’t speak English.
Sounds to me like he’s been fed a diet of Beck.
No.
Hey pup, do you “remember” that in the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing, “virtually” “everyone” was saying it was Arabs?
What’s a Jesus Freak doing using the s-word? Some of us can communicate decently.
What prejudice woulkd that be? That it’s idiotic to shoot into a crowd? You disagree?
I’m pretty sure Qin wasn’t born yet when OK City happened.
Qin, I don’t know how much you know about that, but in the irst few days after the Oklahoma City bombing, the media (especially the right wing media) was all assuming it was Muslims.
Are you shitting me? You can’t glean shit unless you really really want to. He also thinks:
“removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States”, “The police are working unconstitutionally”, “The students are unconstitutionally paying for free education”, “You shouldn’t pay unconstitutional money for free speech”,
He’s a flag burner. He has the ability to create his own currency (whatever the fuck that means). He’s apparently Godless.
A real Beck fan if ever I saw one.
They aren’t even saying that. This is an insane conversation.
Serious Republicans and/or conservatives in no way believe that the “department of education is unconstitutional”.
I don’t either.