And does anyone know which video this bit comes from?
I’ve heard it a couple times but can’t find the reference.
I understand the “official” site was “scrubbed” almost immediately. I also understand some posters have been giving her holy hell too. I haven’t looked, I don’t want to give her site the “credit” of another web hit thing. Besides, there’s nothing i want to say to her. While I don’t believe by any stretch that she actually intended to incite murder, I do think her targets thing was dumber than shit all along. But stupid is not necessarily criminal, especially when we talk about the motivations of a lone maniac.
Could one fucking right wing apologist just come out and say “Yep, the shit that Palin/Bachman/Beck/etc are spewing is inflammatory, apocalyptic, and could easily inspire the crazies. This sucks. I hate that they have support within my party. They do not represent me” instead of becoming your own little fucking fox news substation with the spin machine full on?
The funny thing is that even if this guy turns out to be something other than a right wing nutjob, you’ll crow OH! WE WERE RIGHT! But… not really. Because it very easily could happen. The people you support and apologize for is trying to make it happen.
Look, when you spend years spewing propoganda to people in these apocalyptic terms, you change the whole nature of their thinking. When you tell them EVERYTHING YOU KNOW AND LOVE IS BEING DESTROYED! YOU ARE BEING TRICKED AND RULED BY A SECRET MUSLIM SOCIALIST COMMUNIST OUTSIDER THAT’S TRYING TO IMPLEMENT DEATH PANELS!!! the whole tone of the political landscape changes. People become far more radicalized. The crazies become empowered and catered to, and encouraged. It absolutely inspires people that might otherwise by mostly sieltnyl crazy that their cause is widespread and just and that they’ll be worshipped as a hero if they take action by all of the millions of people buying into this shit.
Have some fucking dignity and stop apologizing for this absolutely evil bullshit. Reject it.
I am VERY sure he wasn’t born yet, just wanted to make sure his “memory” would be refuted (is that still a word?!) by someone who actually did remember this.
That’s how we challenge superstition.
Not apologizing, but simply hang up your conclusion jumping until you know something. I don’t like it when people assume (insert group) was responsible when there is absolutely no consequence to waiting a day and knowing for sure. You will know who’s responsible. We’ll all know.
Just wait. Adults wait. Please, chill. Waiting a day costs nothing. Earn some sweet, sweet internet integrity by pacing yourself. You’ll peak too soon and crash.
There’s a more general apology going on. Most obviously would be FoeGras with his “sure, they may be doing their best to inspire people they know trust and listen to them to be driven to crazy shit, but since they don’t have absolutely mind control over everyone then they aren’t to blame at all!” stuff, but pretty much no one here is acknowledging that the fucking crazy over the top right wing rhetoric of recent times absolutely empowers this sort of crazy shit.
If this guy turns out to be something other than a right wing crazy, it’ll essentially be coincidence - because this result is exactly the sort of thing those people are inspiring.
The problem with shooting a politician or two is that it doesn’t do much. Bombing the Congress to rubble would be a start, but even that isn’t very effective in the long term. Unless you’re trying to militarize the country even more, I suppose.
I’m guessing the rhetoric will die down a bit now. Isn’t that what happened after the OKC bombing? They just gotta let off some steam. No biggie.
I’m trying to understand the difference between “serious” Republicans and/or conservatives and “true” Republicans and/or conservatives.
I think the distinction involves Schrute Bucks and Stanley nickles.
Failing that, here’s some information:
FWIW, one of these guys is still sucking at the public teat.
I’ll give you even money who the other one is. 
Thank you! This is what I have been trying to drive home over and over. Crazies don’t try to figure out exactly what’s being said; they don’t care about the minutia. They hear, “Socialist! Nazi! Secret Muslim! Commie! Black supremacy!” and they feel that all their nutty ideas are being vindicated.
You want it to be senseless real bad, don’t you? I remember after 9/11, how people wanted OBL and his coconspirators to be senseless madmen. It didn’t work out that way then, and if this current guy IS a madman, it still looks like he was pushed.
What are you going to do now, lean more to the right because someone dared utter something at odds with your vision of the middle?
Go right ahead. If that’s your inclination, you probably belong over there anyway. Threatening to throw a hissy fit as you have is just a waste of time.
I’m saying that at this exact moment it is senseless. It doesn’t make sense until we have facts. I’m not going to lean 1/2 of a pinky-cock of a degree in any direction because there is no consequence to waiting for information. None.
If this guy licks Beck’s shit in the morning and sniffs Coulter’s armpits, then I’ll thrust leftly deftly. As of now, he does neither.
Eh. Right wing militia types have been around since before Palin and Beck were born. Those two are like the PG version of the real folks who stir up this shit. And it’s not even clear that this guy was a right winger. He seems like some crazy mish-mash of ideologies. With an emphasis on crazy.
But if you’ve got proof that Palin and her ilk were this guy’s inspiration, bring it. Until then, you’re just a nutter conspiracy theorist.
Can they be called “reasonable”?
I can agree with that. Reputable folk should eschew any hint of advocating violence unless they really mean it and they really think that is the only solution to an intolerable situation.
Wasn’t there some totally innocent Muslim guy picked up and hassled after OK City?
Clarence Dupnik, Sheriff of Pima County:
So?
Why I agree completely with his statement and how he phrased it, I feel that he should have waited a bit before saying it. Things are still a little raw right now and this might rile people up even more.
Just that, among others, the sheriff of the county thinks political rhetoric helped push this guy to commit this act.
Some people are pissed off right now. Maybe they have a right to be. They are in no mood right now to hear YET AGAIN the urging to wait for the facts, because they are pissed off. Maybe also because “wait for the facts” too often means “wait until we can sweep stuff under the rug or invent an alibi or create a diversion”.
Look. People have been calling for 2nd amendment solutions for a long time. People have been accusing others of being traitors or collaborators (or something or other) for a long time. There was no “wait for the facts” for them. So, after years of inflammatory rhetoric, people are now dead, including a nine year old child. That’s the fact.
They are thinking maybe this crazy bastard got the idea from these shit heads who like to spew their bullshit on TV and radio - Beck, Palin, whoever the hell you like. Did they really intend to incite murder? Probably not, but it was still inflammatory, insulting to the rest of us and stupid as all fucking hell.
Accept it for what it is. It’s anger. I’d say it’s justified. Their anger is a hell of a lot more justified than was the death of several innocent people, by a loony who MAY have been egged on by bullshit rhetoric. People are dead. That is the fact.
Now there is the question of who is to blame. That deserves some hard answers. Maybe we can’t send stupid people to jail, because there is a freedom of speech guarantee BY LAW, but we can stop deifying and supporting them.
Why? He was calling for a return to reason. He was saying “shit is getting out of hand and we need to stop and think”. Isn’t that what ALL good people should be saying? Or do only the hacks and the psychos get to say what they want, when they want?
I’d rather hear this Sheriff Dupnik talking about calming down, than some slug like Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, or any other hack talking about second amendment solutions and taking their country back. This sheriff is making sense and you want HIM to stop? I don’t think so.