Really? An illegal immigrant would be carrying an automatic weapon, and couldn’t find someone in Arizona more closely associated with being anti-immigrant than Gabrielle Giffords? Seriously, the only thing that theory has going for it is that it fits in with your ideological prejudices.
Well, none of that is confirmed as of yet, and it is Fox Gnaws.
Might someone suggest that the title of this thread needs clarification? Lest we have an abundance?
Better get that guy that tackled him for assault too.
MSNBC just reported that she’s in surgery and expected to pull through.
Agreed. I suggest “The Usual Suspects Jump to Conclusions on Partisan Grounds Despite Complete Lack of Evidence”.
I’m amazed at your statistical acumen.
Why? Nothing reckeless or responsible about that. That’s the way you do it. Firing into a crowd is idiotic. You wouldn’t even see law enforcement do something that stupid.
According to Fox news, Federal judge John Roll was also shot and killed in the same incident.
The Washington Post sent out an email saying the Congresswoman had died, but live news programs are not reporting this.
Early reports on HuffPo indicate that 12 people were shot, six fatally, and at this time of writing Congresswoman Giffords is alive, albeit in critical condition. Do we have any real evidence that the Congresswoman was actually the intended target? Eyewitness testimony? Statements from the shooter? Anything like that? 'Cos if we can’t even say we know that, then how in the great blue blazing fuck can anyone rightfully assume anything about the killer’s motive?
From what I understand, she was a ‘blue dog’ Democrat who took positions liked and disliked by both the right and the left. For instance, she was one of the 19 Democrats who voted against Pelosi for minority leader. So the shooter could be someone with political motivations from the right or left, or it could be an anti-immigrant activist, or it could just be a nutball trying to gain attention and the political positions of the target could be completely irrelevent. Hell, we don’t even know if she was the target - he may have just been looking for a large gathering of people with media coverage so he could make a big splash.
Why anyone would jump to any conclusions about the political motivations of the shooter is beyond me - If you point fingers at one side and are later proven to be wrong, it will make you look bad. On the other hand, if your suspicions are correct, we’ll all know soon enough and there will be plenty of time for partisan crapweaseling without leaving your ass hanging out in the wind.
People pointing fingers at sides at this point aren’t just partisan cheap shot artists - they’re stupid. Or they are so angry they can’t stop themselves from saying things that might come back to haunt them.
In real news, it seems that the Congresswoman is now responding to doctors, so she may yet survive this. But we shouldn’t make this all about her - other people were killed and wounded as well.
It follows because when a Second Amendment supporter gets shot by some psycho, your first reflex should not be to say “I told you so!”
I’m watching MSNBC right now and not only is she alive but doctors are saying they expect her to pull through.
An eyewitness reported that the spree started with the shooter walking up behind the Congresswoman and firing point blank into her head.
Doesn’t jive very well with the “expected to pull through” part.
Quite right. It should be the second reflex, possibly the third at the most.
Now they’re reporting that the shooter was an Afghan war vet.
Oh, I recognize it all right. Unfortunately that doesn’t help much - “crosshairs” seems to be used far more as a metaphor than for actual shooting.
She was indeed shot in the head. And she’s expected to pull through.
I know I’ll get a warning for this, but…
Fuck. You.
But both sides have not advocated violence as means to achieve political goals. Only one side has had prominent leaders do so. I would be happy to condemn left-wing (never mind Democrat) violence, if it actually happened.
I’m sure that those responsible for creating this political climate will attempt to distance themselves from this event. However, this does not change the fact that they are responsible.
And almost every conservative in this thread has tried to insist that there isn’t enough evidence to say that this was a right-winger. I beg to differ, but, fine, come back in a few days.
But my main point is that there is no question that Fox News, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Sharon Angle, Rush, and the rest of the gang are responsible for this travesty.