Yeah, it’s too bad for those pesky blood-soaked tragedies that gives such a rhetorically convenient metaphor such a bad name.
A surgeon at a local hospital is speaking now.
At his hospital – 10 patients, 1 small child that died, 5 in critical condition, 5 currently in surgery, Gifford is still alive, bullet went entirely through her head, he is optimistic about her eventual recovery.
Like I said, it is *probably *a right-winger. She has a D in front of her name and she’s voted for the healthcare bill. They won’t make finer distinctions.
But it is definitely right-wing leaders who bear the blame for this.
And there is no way that this was done by a liberal.
Well that’s real evidence all right. I still think it’s too early to speculate about the killer’s motives though.
Indeed. Perhaps it was that headless Mexican that Brewer found in the desert.
I know, right? What the fuck was up with that?
“…I’m willing to lay blame equaly on both sides.”
Mighty big of you.
And it’s equally.
Well, never say never. The possibility is still there. However, it is a really remote IMHO. I was refraining from making any assumptions, but as the other tread reported that outfits like the “fair and balanced” news speculated already that it could be a liberal nut, then I have to say that they do so for very feeble reasons.
A democrat in this state has to have some conservative positions, she was indeed in favor of laws and actions protecting the border, but she also voted for the Dream act and was in favor of reforming current immigration laws. If it was a left leaning nut who shot her, it was a very ignorant one.
The Fark thread on this topic states the shooter is Jared Loughner…based on his YouTube videos, he’s apparently crazy.rE
She is conservative in the real world. But in Glenn Beck-teabagger fantasies, she is an ardent socialist who must be stopped at all costs.
There is no militant left in the U.S. of any significant size; there is a fairly large militant right, to whom the Republican party has consistently pandered.
Nevermind.
I thought Arizona was an open-carry state - isn’t that meant to stop stuff like this happening?
Holy shit. I looked up the YouTube videos. Loony-tunes does not even begin to describe this stuff. I can easily imagine this guy seeing the Palin graphic mentioned earlier and taking it as a direct order to go shoot someone. I can also, however, easily imagine him hearing voices from God telling him to do it.
Scary. Actually possibly even scarier if the guy responsible for the YouTube videos is NOT the shooter because that means he’s still walking among us. Yikes.
No, for things like this:
Jackwagon.
No, it makes you a coward for running away as fast as you can when somebody actually *acts *upon the “principles” you merely masturbate to on anonymous message boards, and a crybaby for denying it.
I really don’t think this event is as relevant to gun control as it is to advocating violence.
So far, it seems that Loughner was a conspiracy nut. Once more, I emphasize that my main purpose in starting this thread is to condemn right-wing spokespeople like Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, Gingrich, and Fox News in general. They have created an atmosphere of imminent apocalypse along with vicious lies and attempts to pander to such conspiracists. Whether this guy joined an “official Tea Party” organization is not particularly relevant.
Do you really dispute that several prominent political talking heads on the right have used inflammatory language suggesting violence against “socialist” government intrusions is appropriate and expected? That’s what the OP is about, specifically referring to nauseatingly irresponsible comments from la Palin et ilk about “2nd amendment remedies” to the no-good-very-bad health insurance reform act and other treasons. When the fucktards use language like that, 'Tank, they’re not suggesting “keep your guns safe in case the Army comes to take your freedoms away,” they’re saying “if I get you scared enough, maybe you should go out and shoot some Democrat politicians.”
That aint what you said, friend. Rewind and review please.
Edited to add: Elvis doesn’t speak for me. I know you’re not a coward or a mindless jerkoff. But I believe you need to take a better look around.
They’re not separable. The fundamental arguments in favor of ignoring the first half of the Second Amendment are based on it, particularly the ones about the people having the ability to resist a tyrannical government. And, violence that does not involve guns kills far fewer people than violence that does.
Because this is exactly what many on the right have been calling for, that’s why. If a guy due to testify against organized crime was killed by a mysterious assassin, I’d “jump to conclusions” about that assassin’s motivations too.
No, it’s meant to encourage stuff like this, along with general intimidation.
This is the fault of conscience dreaming. Eat your words!
There probably is a question until we know more about the shooter, but of course those you mention, and don’t forget Bachmann, have been putting ideas of violent revolution into their moron followers’ heads for ages.
Jesse Kelly, who ran against Giffords, held an event in June that tied shooting a “fully automatic M16” to “help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office.” only said the other way around (lack of punctuation in the original notice):
Spin that,right-wing bitches.
(on preview, it does look like more is coming out about the shooter. Now I’m off to go search YouTube)