Selecting a martial arts studio and type

This is important, I was bitten by this at one school. It was relatively cheap with straight monthly payments for the first year, but to move to the “advanced ranks” you were also expected to book periodic extra private lessons outside of class, at the sifu’s hourly consulting rate, supposedly to get the premium technique material. :rolleyes: They didn’t advertise this at all up front.

So beware of any “gateway to secret knowledge” policies or pricing. I don’t mind buying the occasional T-shirt or sword to support the school, but other hidden club fees are a scam.

“No martial art is going to really teach self defense. Sure, knowing how to get out of a hold and throw a punch may help, but if anyone claims they’re selling self defense, they’re pretty much wrong. It’s a sport, a hobby, exercise. Something that’s fun should be your number one priority.”

I have to disagree with this. That is EXACTLY what some systems teach. They are not sports, hobbies or excercise regimins. They are structured systems by which students are taught to engage in close quarters combat, with or without weapons. Many students and instructors of martial arts refer to these as “real martial arts”.

This may be a quibble, however. When most people hear the phrase “martial arts”, they may think of kickboxing, Judo or other practices. These are sports. Also, though Tae Kwon Do and Karate are usually martial arts in a general sense. What people are actually taught in the context of most dojos is closer to a sport.

The most important element of selecting a school is to be aware of your goals. If your goal is to become more fit, with an emphasis on cardio-vascular conditioning, boxing (or kickboxing) is almost impossible to beat. If you want to relax a little on that front, but achieve better flexibility and overall physical conditioning, Eastern striking styles work well, while typically not exposing you to the punishment of full-contact*. If you want to learn some basic self-defense, pretty much any martial art or combat sport will put you in a better spot than that of an untrained individual (though I lean toward grappling systems. Most actual fights end up on the ground. Better to know how to avoid that or deal with it when it happens). If you want to turn your body into a weapon, “pure” martial arts like Sambo and Krav Maga were developed in the modern era to do precisely that. While Brazilian Ju Jitsu is technically a sport, it is brutally effective, losing nothing in the fighting pit by neglecting groinstrikes, eye gouging ect., and really not losing that much in real hand-to-hand combat.

So, the answer is do you want to get in shape (cardio-heavy training), learn to “really fight”(combat system) or take up a hobby (in which case do whatever looks fun).

Much good advice in this thread. Definately look for an instructor who is polite, professional, open and sober-minded about their business and art. I’ve known many great instructors who are good people, respectable businessmen and accomplished athletes, but the nature of the subject tends to attract more woo than its fair share.

*Boxing is actually more like “full-contact plus”. Getting hit with an object heavier than a fist, like a fist in a boxing glove, imparts more concussive force than getting pounded, bare-knuckled. It won’t do as much superficial damage, because of the padding, but its especially hard on the contents of the noggin.

I agree completely. There are many MA schools which address such things as vigilance, avoiding questionable settings and situations, and emphasize scenario training. Hell, we used to work in stairwells, alleys, elevators, gangways… And weapons can be anything you can lay your hands on. You can easily get into overkill. And people react differently - some become totally calm in their security, whereas others become tense and hypervigilant. But it is certainly very possible to teach effective self defense.

One of my first instructors described it as insurance. The same way you have to keep paying the premiums, you have to practice self defense. It isn’t something you learn and then have forever.

Just of the top of my head, but a couple of things necessary for MA to become effective self defense is to do it enough that it is an unthinking, instinctual response. Also, as unpleasant as it might sound, but you have to take some hard shots, to let yourself realize that you can respond even though hurt.

The majority of us will lead the rest of our lives such that we will never need to defend ourselves. Which (IMO) makes it all the more important that you choose an art which gives you physical and emotional benefits. You can avoid nearly all possible conflicts by not putting yourself into risky situations. And in the vast majority of confrontations, tossing your wallet and running is probably better than engaging. Hell, if you want effective self defense, look into concealed carry! :stuck_out_tongue:

I get a lot of cardio from swimming so I’m not really looking for that. Strength and more flexibility is more what I’m looking for. I also know that no one system is going to help a lot with self defense.

I really need to do something, and this at least sounds somewhat fun. There is one place near me that has one free lesson. I think I will go tonight and see what it’s like. Though through their Facebook page it looks like a lot of kids.

While kids can be a red flag, check to see if they have adults only classes, or at least a decent amount of adults attending “all ages” classes.

Kids are the bread and butter of most MA schools, especially those that use contracts.

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Enderw24, where do you train? I’m curious to find out how the Won/non-won debate is being handled in actual schools, rather than online. I miss Kuk Sool, and wish to hell I could resume training… stupid PA and it’s total lack of Kuk Sool schools, won or not!

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I wish I could help you out. I also have been out of training for awhile. I did it up in Lawrence, KS while in law school. When I got out, I kept going for a year or two but the commute from Kansas City proved to be too much to do it with any regularity. Since there wasn’t a school closer, I couldn’t really continue.
The school there closed last year.