Self-identifying and organizing by race - except for whites

[TGWATY]

I was trying to edit my post and it timed me out.

@tumbleddown

Well, there is a certain finite number of admission slots or scholarship dollars available for college kids, but they’re still disproportionately given to white people in America (and that disproportionality worsened in California once AA was abolished for the UC system)

I don’t have any numbers handy, but I would (literally) bet a large sum of money that the group who receives scholarships the most disproportionately (that is, relative to their percentage of the population) are east Asians.

But so what? Why should we expect or care that scholarships are given out in a distribution which reflects the racial ratios? If they are individually given out fairly–if you can show that there is no racial bias in their selection–let the chips fall where they may.

There is a prejudice that race has–or shouldn’t have–any correlation with academic performance, and that if everything else were fair, the numbers would reflect that. That is an ideaology. But it may not be reality.

Again, another reason why I tend to be disgusted with any division by race, self-identified or otherwise.

[What_the]

@Diogenes_the_Cynic

Of course it is exists. It’s just not very meaningful, and organizing around such a meaningless commonality is stupid, which is why the only people you ever see doing it are white supremacists.

Sure it’s meaningful… the more that non-whites expect to be and are treated differently, the more meaningful it is.

Some of the different treatments are unwanted… but not all.

[Little_Nemo]

But so what? Why should we expect or care that scholarships are given out in a distribution which reflects the racial ratios? If they are individually given out fairly–if you can show that there is no racial bias in their selection–let the chips fall where they may.

There is a prejudice that race has–or shouldn’t have–any correlation with academic performance, and that if everything else were fair, the numbers would reflect that. That is an ideaology. But it may not be reality.

Again, another reason why I tend to be disgusted with any division by race, self-identified or otherwise.

As I’ve already said, racism exists. Some people are actively racist and they’re pretty much a lost cause. But they need some level of support, or at least apathy, from society at large in order to act out their racism.

In my opinion, it’s not enough to say that other people might not allow black people to ride the bus or eat in a restaurant or buy a house or go to school or vote and to say that while you don’t like these things, it’s not a personal concern of yours because you don’t own a bus company or a restaurant or sell houses or run a school or election board. You might as well say that theft and rape and murder aren’t any concern of yours as long as it’s other people who are the victims.

But I feel that we as a society have the right and the duty to enforce our values. When we decide that murder is wrong, we pass a law and enforce it. When we decide rape is wrong we pass a law and enforce it. When we decide theft is wrong we pass a law and enforce it. And when we decide racism is wrong we pass a law and enforce it. We decide that it’s not acceptable to treat people differently because of their skin color.