Self-immolation: good idea?

So I came across this story, in which a man burned himself to death on the steps of a court-house in America somewhere. Alleged last word:

Based on that last bit, you might think he was intending to set the court on fire and missed, but let’s ignore that for now.

And I’ve heard of it happening in Vietnam during the war there, and so on.

Basically,

  1. Is it effective as a tactic? I can see that it might draw attention, but does it get sympathy and remedial political action, or just make you look like a flaming loonatic?
  2. Is it heroic or wasteful? Obviously, in a sense, you’re sacrificing yourself for a cause, but it another sense you’re killing yourself with no obvious and immediate gain to be had, and will be too dead too appreciate any potential gains you might bring about in the distant future.

Not unrelated questions, I know. Didn’t seem to do much good in Vietnam, did it?

Self-immolation was what started the revolution in Tunisia and the whole Arab Spring.

The flames last forever in your memory, but the memory of their reason will die with the ashes.

Ah yes, I forgot all about that.

Well, not only are you dead, but since you are dead you’ll never know if it worked, and never be able to try a different strategy if it fails. It’s all or nothing, with an excellent change of “nothing”.

Mythbusters episode! I nominate Grant.

Teach a man to fish, and he can feed himself,
but set a man on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life.

At the very least it will get you to quit worrying about whatever is bothering you.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll have food for the rest of his life
Set a man on fire, and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life

This is a great thread title. Yes, self-immolation is a good idea!

I wonder basically the same thing about most forms of non-violent protest. I don’t see why they are supposed to work at all. When people that I disagree with chain themselves to things, set themselves on fire, or starve themselves to death, I consider that entertaining at least and probably somewhat helpful to to me and my views in general. What is the downside for others supposed to be? I would be thrilled if lots of people that were against my goals just set themselves on fire but I don’t expect them to do that. Apparently some will under some circumstances however. Awesome.

I don’t know if I’d call self-immolation “non-violent”.

I wasn’t sure either. Is fasting nonviolent if the person dies from it? I don’t get hung up on the technicalities if the person is just doing it to themselves.

I believe it’s:

Give a man a fire and he’ll be warm for a day
Set a man on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life

I think I picked that up from this very message board.

My correction stands corrected.

“Give a man a fire and he’s warm for the day, but set fire to him and he’s warm for the rest of his life.”
— Terry Pratchett (Jingo)

I don’t know, I think the version I posted is closer to the original fish version and has better cadence.

Build a fire for a man and he’s warm for the rest of the day
Build a fire of a man and he’s warm for the rest of his life

I’m not a fan of martyrs; I’ve seen too many of them.

Some more stories about the original case:

The reaction seems to be that he’s a “deadbeat dad”.