Senior citizen food strangeness (long)

I’ve been a professional cook for years, and so I’ve had a lot of opportunity to observe people’s eating habits. And frankly, it’s senior citizens who seen to do the strangest things with regard to their food.

Part of this seems to be for health reasons of course, “the doctor’s orders”. But some of the things I’ve seen just don’t make sense to me.

One thing in particular I blame the doctors for. There are a good number of seniors whose doctors have told them that their intake of fat and cholesterol is too high. And so the doctor tells them to cut back on eggs and butter. But the doctors apparently don’t explain that the eggs and butter are merely examples of high-cholesterol and high-fat foods. And so these old folks will come in and order egg substitute (Egg Beaters), hashbrown potatoes fried with no oil, and unbuttered toast… and ask us to pour country sausage gravy over everything. Country sausage gravy is absolutely loaded with fat and cholesterol!!

Second thing: What about older people who go to the same restaurant seven days a week, and order exactly the same meal every single day. I read once (sorry, don’t have a cite - is was in a newspaper years ago) that when you eat the same foods all the time, your body eventually stops deriving much nutritional benefit from those foods. Apparently, your body becomes saturated with the particular group of nutrients present in those foods, and doesn’t need any more of those, so your system just passes those nutrients on through. Meanwhile, your’re not getting the nutrients that aren’t in those foods either, because you’re not eating different foods that contain the other nutrients. I believe that many geriatric health problems can be traced to simple malnutrition caused by a grossly unvaried diet.

Now I understand that some of these people are diabetic, and by eating a homogenous diet they can maintain their blood sugar levels - because the sugar content of the specific foods isn’t going to vary a great deal from one day to the next. But I can’t think of a good explanation for those people who aren’t diabetic, other than pure force of habit.

Third thing: What is the deal with older men (mostly men, anyway) and their use of salt and pepper? I’ve noticed this mostly amongst people of my parent’s generation (Baby Boomers) and older: dousing their entire meal with salt and pepper, without even bothering to taste the food first. I have served spicy Mexican food to older men, and still, the first thing they do is start shaking pepper all over it. When I make soups from scratch, I don’t spare the spices. I don’t make insanely piquant soups, but they have a good robust flavor. An older man will order a bowl of soup, and proceed to empty the pepper shaker into his bowl before he even tastes the soup. One of the key flavor ingredients in country gravy is pepper. And yet these men will again cover the gravy with still more pepper.

The only thing I’ve been able to guess, aside from long-dead taste buds, is that these men’s wives and mothers were very bland cooks, and grabbing the pepper shaker is purely a reflexive habit.

Fourth observation: Why don’t senior citizens understand, even after they’re told, that most restaurants no longer fry food in butter? I’ve been a cook for twenty years, and I’ve never worked in a restaurant that fries in butter. Every restaurant I’ve cooked in uses a low-cholesterol, low fat, butter-flavored vegetable oil for frying things on the grill or in pans. And vegetable shortening in deep fryers. But occasionally, a senior citizen will insist that he doesn’t want his food fried in butter, so he wants me to fry his food dry, with nothing at all. Any attempts to explain that we don’t use butter are rebuffed, and sometimes these guys will become almost belligerent about it. Of course, they also expect a perfect over-easy egg to be cooked without any lubrication in the pan. Sorry, can’t flip an egg perfectly when it’s stuck to the pan, sir.

Thoughts?

I think you’re right about the reduction in active tastebuds and the habitual use of salt and pepper. Also, if you use a spice (i.e. pepper) constantly, you stop tasting it and you have to use more to get the desired effect.

I think the removal of eggs and butter and addition of country gravy is just general ignorance. Not only in older people, but in everyone. I know a woman on the Atkins diet who will properly shun her hamburger bun and then eat 3 or 4 fast food burgers, fries, and a milk shake. Ummmm…yeah. That’s going to peel the weight off.

Not understanding the use/non-use of butter is a generational thing. My grandmother never used margarine because it was all they got during WWII. She never wanted to taste that crap again and fried everything in butter. Maybe those folks also use butter and can’t imagine a restaurant wouldn’t?

I can’t really bash other people’s eating habits, however, only illuminate them. You probably hate people like me in your restaurant, too. I want everything PLAIN and not touching, so no sauce and potatoes and veggies have to be in seperate bowls… Everybody has their little quirks.

Well, I’m not trying to bash - I just want to learn “why” :slight_smile:

The woman on the Atkins diet reminds me of something that used to make us all laugh back when I worked in fast food. An overweight woman (not always the same woman - you know what I mean) would come in and order a LARGE roast beef sandwich, a LARGE order of fries, an all-you-can-eat salad bar… and a small Diet Pepsi. I think some people have the impression that foods labelled “diet” or “lite” will burn the fat off and counteract the other stuff they eat. Chicken does this too :wink:

Yeah, that’s another thing I’ve noticed, among people of all ages. They go to a restaurant and expect things to be prepared the way their mother did it. And no amount of explaining can change their thinking. Some of the people who say “don’t fry it in butter” actually seem to think that we’re lying to them when we say we don’t do that.

The thing about “the way mom cooked it” also probably explains the number of people who order an “over-easy” egg when what they really want is “over-medium”. Their mother cooked over-medium eggs and called them over-easy, and as far as this person’s concerned, their mother obviously knew the proper terminology better than a professional cook. So they order over-easy, then send it back complaining that it’s too runny… Same thing happens with steaks. Some people order “medium rare”, get their perfect medium-rare steak, and then send it back to be cooked a little longer.

My biggest complaint overall as a cook are actually the people whose “requirements” bring the kitchen to a grinding halt. This usually happens when the person’s ticket has so many special requests written on it that I have to stop everything I’m doing to make sense of it and figure out what I’m supposed to do. I’m personally of the opinion that if you need to make that many changes to a dish, then you need to order something else.

There are also people who, instead of ordering the soup of the day, they want me to reheat a bowl of yesterday’s soup. Which of course means that I have to leave the line, go to the walk-in refrigerator, locate which container has yesterday’s soup, dish it into a bowl and pop it in the microwave. And of course, they do this right in the middle of the busiest part of the lunch hour, and of course I can’t pay attention to the other orders while I’m fiddling around with this soup. To top it off, since this soup is starting out at about 34 degrees, it takes several minutes to bring it up to the 140 degress required by the health code. And so this bowl of soup completely ties up my microwave, meaning I can’t use it for all the other things that need to be microwaved. So the rest of the customers have to wait a little longer for their food, all because one guy wants yesterday’s soup. And then the soup guy keeps wanting to know what’s taking so long for a simple bowl of soup.

Arg. I’d better stop before this thread gets moved to the Pit :wink:

Phase42, the salt issue also has a biochemical basis. While adults do gradually lose their taste buds, there is a condition (sorry, no cite) whereby the ability to taste salt and the body’s sense of having gotten enough of it deteriorates, thus allowing a person to apply way too much to their food and still not be satisfied.

Let’s agree on one thing, people who salt their food before tasting it are cretins worthy of Kraft products for all their meals. I had the intense displeasure of watching a friend of mine (who is a decent cook) douse some very nice Chinese food we had ordered with soy sauce before he even tasted it. I was mortified to see this happen right in front of the restaurant’s owner.

As to the cholesterol intake, many people are astoundingly ill informed about food content and nutrition in general. Few diners understand the need for a varied and well balanced diet. You are to be commended for being concerned about this important issue. Why not consider creating a menu chart where diners can get a balanced but varied meal by combining individual servings? Sort of the old, “one from column A and one from column B” idea.

As a food specialist, you’ve got to know that drinking a diet soda while eating a candy bar cancels out any calories!

Not that I think thie following explanation covers all the folks who do this, but…

I sometimes drink diet soda with otherwise non-diet food because I actually prefer it. I don’t like how sugar soda makes my teeth feel (first sort of squeaky, like rubber soles on linoleum, then fuzzy after the plaque thing starts), I don’t like how the crash after the sugar rush feels, and I somehow like the diet flavor better anyway.

I think you are probably right that many older people are malnourished, but the idea that your body can’t use particular nutrients if they come from the same food every time strikes me as pretty strange.

LOL! I’ve heard stories about cooks throwing people out of the restaurant when they saw the person dumping ketchup on a steak… I would have to assume in a case like that that the cook must also be the owner; otherwise he’d be out of a job pretty quick :wink:

Well, I have read that certain nutrients don’t accumulate in the body beyond what’s needed. And good thing, too - too much vitamin A can be poisonous.

Same here.

People, y’know, you really don’t need to comment on it every single time. Really. I just like Diet Coke better.

I have been drinking diet drinks for over 50 years as I prefer them. However, if you think about it; that is at least 100 to 300 calories a day saved plus then using sweetner in my coffee at least the same number calories avoided. That comes to over 7 million calories, which must come to 10 to 20 pounds at least. :rolleyes:

I also hate gravy for breakfast.

Drinking diet drinks for over fifty years? :confused:

Excess water soluble vitamins, such as C, are indeed excreted from the body but fat-soluble vitamins, such as A, accumulate in the body tissues. That’s why basically that they’re poisonous.

I’ve worked as a cook on an occasion or two, and I have always wondered about those people who come in and order a food item.

No, they don’t order something on the MENU, they order a FOOD ITEM. With special preparation instructions. LONG special preparation instructions. COMPLEX ones. Occasionally, IMPOSSIBLE ones.

Man, if I want a pancake, I will go to a restaurant that serves pancakes. All you have to do is check the menu, or ask the waitress when you come in. That’s it. Sometimes the name of the place will tell you… The International House Of Pancakes does, in fact, serve pancakes, in much the same way that Burger King serves hamburgers.

Pretty safe bet, right?

But I have seen seniors throw a fit because my restaurant would not serve them Malt-O-Meal. No, they don’t want oatmeal, they want Malt-O-Meal, and they SELL the stuff right down the street, why don’t we SERVE it?

I have had little old ladies come into my kitchen, and explain to me how to make sodium-free pancakes without using baking powder (it gives their little old man the wind.) I had ONE little old lady who wanted to come in and use OUR kitchen to make HER husband breakfast… at least until she got a look at the difference between a commercial kitchen and the one she had at home.

I will never forget the time a little old man tried to explain that it was possible to fry fish in batter in such a way that it was NOT crunchy, but the batter would still stay on the fish. Admittedly, we didn’t seem to have any of the magical ingredients to prepare fish this way, but he insisted it was possible, and only gave up trying to explain it to me after wasting a half hour of my time. To this day, I have no idea what mystic ingredients are necessary to make non-crunchy fried fish batter.

I have heard a great many explanations about dietary requirements, having to do with diabetes, digestive disorders, kidney disorders, liver disorders, high blood pressure… often with the caveat that ONE WRONG MOVE on my part could KILL some poor little old person! THEIR LIVES WERE IN MY HANDS!!!

…and my thought was, “Gee, if I had that many things wrong with my guts, I’d either stay the hell home, or bring my special food WITH me. What sane person would trust the lives of their loved ones to some damn teenage fry cook in some greasy spoon a thousand miles from home?”

Wang-Ka, we must be of one mind here! You’ve detailed perfectly some of the other things that boggle my mind.

Especially this:

I’m mainly a breakfast cook, so I do serve pancakes, but I know what you mean. I had this exact discussion with a fellow cook and my boss (well, ex-boss, now). I pointed out that these people wouldn’t go to McDonald’s and order a pizza, or go to Pizza Hut and order a steak. So why do they come to our diner, (which serves traditional American food) study the menu, see exactly what we offer, and then ask the waitress if we can make them a burrito?

Ugh. At my last job, we served Cream of Wheat. Something that I feel simply does not belong on a restaurant meny to begin with, because no matter what you do, no matter how runny you make it, it turns into a solid lump in the bowl by the time the waitress can come get it and deliver it to the customer.

Of course, I have issues with oatmeal, too - mainly along the lines of paying somebody else to cook my oatmeal. I’m constantly reading letters to the editor in my local newspaper from senior citizens screaming poverty and “fixed income!” every time there’s a tax proposal that might end up costing them another $30/year. Then I look out into the dining room and see seniors who eat every meal every day in a restaurant. I did some math and determined that at our prices, a bowl of oatmeal and a cup of coffee five days a week added up to around $1200/year. I’ve always wanted to write a letter to the newspaper saying, “Folks, if $30 extra per year in taxes is going to hurt that badly, then please, sell the Cadillac. Sell the motor home. Sell your winter home in Arizona. And stop paying somebody else $1200/year to cook your oatmeal!”

There was an old man that used to come into one of the chain restaurants where I cooked. I worked the graveyard shift, and this guy was usually there when I arrived at 10 PM. He had already ordered, and the swing cook had already sent his order out. Then I watched as the waiter came back with the toast. The old had man sent it back because it wasn’t the same shade of brown on both sides. So the cook redid the toast. The old man sent it back three times, and then finally walked into the kitchen to bawl the cook out for his incompetence. I had to wonder - had this old man been around 80+ years, and had never seen a toaster? Did he not realize that once the toast is in the toaster, the cook has no control over whether one side is darker than the other?

I had another incident where the boss had screwed up and forgotten to order pancake flour. Krusteaz, specifically. So we ran out of pancake batter and couldn’t make more until we were able to get ahold of the boss and ask her to go to the store and get more. There was an old man who came in right after we ran out, naturally, and wanted pancakes. Waitress explained the situation to him. The guy was appalled when he found out that I didn’t know how to make pancake batter from scratch (hey, sorry - been a professional cook for 20 years and every restaurant I’ve been in uses a pre-made, just-add-water mix) Then he offered to tell me how to do it, and was flabbergasted to learn that we didn’t keep the ingredients on hand. No need to keep the ingredients around, because we use Krusteaz Pancake Mix.

Another thing about things that aren’t on the menu: the previously mentioned folks who eat the same thing every day will from time to time announce that they’re in the mood for something different. But do they peruse the menu to find something different? Noooo! Apparently there is nothing else on our 200-item menu selection that sounds appealing, so they’ll make something up that perhaps they saw a friend eat at another restaurant.

And what is the deal with toast burnt into charcoal? Yes, I understand that there is some benefit to the digestion. But please, folks, if you must eat burnt toast, do so at home. There are few things a professional cook hates more than having his customers see a cloud of black smoke billowing out of his kitchen. The other customers don’t know that sombody ordered burnt toast - they just see the smoke. And smell it, too, which isn’t the most appetizing thing when you’re trying to eat.

Yes, but since your alleged consumption time frame puts you squarely in the era of such commercial science fair experiments as Tab and Fresca, playing guinea pig for diet soft drink producers is going to subtract at least a decade off of your life.