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[SenorBeef]

@Miller

Okay, but why do you think they have that agenda? You’ve suggested that Dianne Feinstein is thrilled to hear of a new school shooting, because it lets her put her anti-gun agenda back into play. But why is she anti-gun, other than a concern that lax gun laws lead to things like school shootings? And if there is no other reason than that, why do you think she’s so excited to hear about another school shooting, when her opposition to guns is based on wanting to prevent exactly that sort of thing?

Again, I said nothing about a secret agenda. Plenty of evil is done by people who are well-meaning. I’m not granting that is the case here, but I think Cheney probably felt invading Iraq was good for the world too, and yet that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be thrilled that 9/11 happened and gave him a flimsy excuse to go after his agenda.

Just as with the assault weapons ban, attacking Iraq as a way of somehow making 9/11 right is misguided. It would be easier to take you guys seriously as being legitimately interested in reaching a compromise that prevents death while infringing upon the fewest rights if you didn’t immediately go back to your hardon for the same generic, discredited assault weapons bans. You’ve been around here enough to know that assault weapons bans are bullshit, and that Newton didn’t occur because the rifle was black or had a bayonette lug.

@Left_Hand_of_Dorkness

That part was unnecessary hyperbole of the nature that fills the Pit, sure. Grant that.

But your cynicism about the nature of politicians is repugnant, and, more importantly, unfounded. It’s precisely this sort of demonizing of the opposition that makes it so hard to have a real discussion on the issues.

This is one of those partisan issues on the board in which outrage only gets directed at one side of the issue. We’ve got hundreds of posts in which gun owners - not even gun rights advocates - are told that they are guilty for this tragedy, that it’s on them, personally, that they are reprehensible and repugnant. All sorts of crazy, insulting shit got thrown around in the weeks after the shooting, and I don’t think anyone from the gun control side said “Okay, guys, hey, look, emotions are running hot, but reel it in.”

No, instead, it turned into big circle jerks which became more and more over the top. The perfect gloating opportunity. I told you so, you gun wielding savages! This is all your fault! You wanted this to happen! You are sick fucks!

My assertions are quite a bit milder on the personal attack front.

If you’re looking for an equivalence, don’t look so hard. It’s easy to make one. Pro-gun folks saw the Sandy Hook shooting and said, “Woohoo, gun control means hitting your target, nice one dude!”

Except of course they didn’t, because they’re not demons.

You could’ve fooled me, the reaction by a significant minority around here definitely painted gun owners in such a negative light.

@Mosier

No, your thing is way, way more despicable.

Who said this?

Wel, as an example that I rememberd and could dig up immediately

@fumster

There is a term for people whose response to a school shooting is to go buy the same gun that was used in it: “sick fuck”. Put aside 2nd amendment rights, defending yourself, target shooting, collecting, and all the other possible reasons to own a gun, but if you go out and purposely buy the same gun that was used to massacre children just a few weeks ago, you are a sick fuck.

This is not aimed at the posters above, it’s aimed at the sick fucks who went out after a school shooting and decided that it was a good time to buy that same gun.

Maybe the gun nuts are right and someday it will come down to armed resistance by the sick fucks against the government. I’ll root for the helicopter gunships to shoot all the sick fucks and won’t feel pang of remorse.

This was in a thread about people buying up AR-15s because there was a ban for them on the table and they were trying to snag them up before they were banned.

I really don’t have time this morning to dig up more than that, I’m running late as it is. If you want more examples of gun control advocates gloating and blaming gun owners, I can dig it up later.