Seymour Hersh says so.
also, the Government in its brief in oppo to those seeking cess to the tapes has said that they are so disgusting that allowing them to be made public would endanger the public by way of the reaction to be anticipated…
I think that’s a good indication (given the stuff they Havereleased, that this is some really, really, evil shit.
We have a new master of all knowing, step aside Cecil.
*bolding mine
And if Americans have nothing to do with it? If it is in fact the Iraqi’s that did it and recorded it? Yes still sick and disgusting, and I hope the perpetrators are hung by the nuts, but not something you can hang on us dirty no good amerikans.
if the iraqi’s did it under our watch?
If the Americans knew it was actively going on and allowed it yes there is a problem. But this kind gentlemen you hold in such esteem seems to be a bit on the loony side. Not even using the rape story as an account. He bases a lot of his stories on things that I personally do not believe.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/10/11_hersh.shtml
So he is insinuating that you speak up you get shot. Yeah as a former army member, I cannot say this line of thinking puts him in high regards to me. And I may be wrong, as I am more often then my ego allows me to believe, but his use of “This soldier emailed me” without attributing anything kind of makes me wonder. As with the story I quoted here, if this was true he could of omitted the soldiers name, and said the villages name and what happened and allowed a journalist to check the validity of his statement.
I am sure there are atrocities being committed from both sides in this war. And nothing excuses any of them. But some of his stories from that linked page as well as other Hersh stories I have googled sounds like he believes the black helicopters will be overhead any minute.
generally speaking, I trust Hersh.
Others may differ.
As I said, I might have missed it and guess what, I did. Thanks for pointing it out.
Infantry was Rico’s last choice, actually: he was rejected as a pilot, so his listed preferences were in order Space Navy, Intelligence, and then a long list of others. “Clear at the bottom, with some hesitation, I put K-9 Corps, and Infantry.” After being rejected as a dog-handler, he resignedly accepted an infantry posting.
Rico from Starship Trooper’s first choice specifically was spaceship pilot, wasn’t it?
I’m not sure what they’d have to say. Mostly they seem interested in causing chaos, possibly for short-term profit, possibly jockeying for position in an inevitable (they think) civil war. And then there are the fanatics and the idealists, with whom it is impossible to hold any rational discussion.
I’d love to have an Iraqi participate on these boards, Even one opposed to the U.S. occupation. The vast majority of Iraqis are peaceful people who just want to live their lives. Any one of them could make a valuable addition to these boards. Brutal thugs and religious fanatics, not so much.
Well, that’s why I said I thought that was the bit you might’ve missed. Besides, surely you didn’t expect everything to be sunshine and roses in response to your post, right? I have no problem offering clarification or such, but when someone is telling me that they may have to rethink how they view all of my posts, I’m not exactly eager to go out of my way and be perfectly polite to boot. I’m sure you understand, and I don’t have any hard feelings, I just snarked back a bit.
My pleasure. I don’t have any problem providing cites or clarifying statements and such. Feel free to challenge me on whatever factual claims I make, ever, and I’ll do my best to respond to them.
Do you believe that there are any members of the Iraqi insurgency who are neither brutal thugs nor fanatics? Considering that it’s a loosely-organized bunch of people striking out, it seems very plausible to me that there are some cells who confine their atacks to attacks on foreign military. Were one of them to join the boards, would you call for their banning?
I’m not even sure whether I’d call for the banning of a person inclined to murder civilians. On the one hand, that’s an appalling kind of person to be, utterly abhorrent. On the other hand, I’m not sure whether banning them would serve a good purpose, or a purpose better than that which would be served by engaging them in conversation.
Daniel
Yes; he didn’t get past the preliminary screening tests. He was also rejected for every other secondary preference except for his last choice, infantry. I’m not sure you could call him a volunteer, as Frank did: he certainly enlisted voluntarily, but it wasn’t to be PBI.
PBI? I thought it was Mobile Infantry.
British Army slang: Poor Bloody Infantry.
Ah! Thanks. US Army slang for Infantry: Bullet Stoppers.
Ground Pounders is used sometimes for the Infantry and sometimes for the whole Army.
What I did was jerkish and I apologize for that. It was not, however, wishing death on him. I specifically made sure not to wish death on Der Trihs as that would have been a violation of forum rules.
Under the rules that I have read in the various sticky threads on this forum I was not aware that simply taking pleasure in the death of a specific person was equivalent to wishing death. I’m aware that logically speaking the two are not the same. I’m equally aware, however, that within the SDMB the definitions and particulars are up to the discretion of the mods. I thank you for taking the time to explain to me that my actions were in violation of the don’t be a jerk rule (that’s how I interpet it.) And due to your helpful and corrective action I hope that I will become a better poster in the future and not fall down this path again.