"Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" (SDMB Musicals Group)

Although a lifelong lover of movie musicals, I’ve only started to grok the MGM films of the ‘50s over the last five or ten years. Since I was born in 1954, I was too young to see them when they first came out (my movie-going started in earnest in the early '60s, so I saw *Mary Poppins, The Sound of Music, *and My Fair Lady as new releases ), and they lack the kitschy anachronistic glamour that lent Fred and Busby their charm when I discovered them in the late '60s.

There were, of course, a lot of very good musicals – and a couple of great ones – made during the '50s. One of them is our current subject, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, which came out halfway through the decade, in 1954. And I think I’m going to argue that it’s not just a very good musical, but a great one.

Why great? The barn-raising, which is, for my money one of the ten best dance numbers ever put on film. The choreographer, Michael Kidd (The Band Wagon, Guys and Dolls, Hello Dolly!), was reluctant to work on the movie, because of his insistence that dance not only arise out of the story but further the story, and he just couldn’t see these roughnecks with manure on their boots as dancers.

Boy, was he wrong.

In the barn-raising, the brothers meet and court the brides and challenge their rivals in some of the most macho ballet ever danced, with tricks and twirls and a marvelous joy that completes the first part of the story – Milly’s civilizing influence on the unruly brood – and sets up the second – the kidnapping of the brides.

And, yeah, there were a few other numbers (I’m sure the Howard Keel fans expect a mention of “Bless Your Beautiful Hide”), some good (“Lonesome Polecat”) and some forgettable (literally – every time I watch it, we get to the brides’ ballet in the attic and I think “oh yeah, this thing, I remember now”).

What makes the movie so amazing to me is that it’s so freaking low budget, and yet it works so wonderfully. Apparently the budget started low and was halved when the producer mentioned they needed a full year to film it, so as to catch the different seasons – at that point, the whole thing was moved to a soundstage, with some seriously cheesy backdrops. Brigadoon was being filmed at the same time, and that was where the money went, with prestige expected to follow. No one expected Seven Brides to be the hit it was – including being nominated for a Best Picture Oscar.

(There’s a “making of” feature on the DVD, which covers much of the trivia given here.)

Even if the budget had been higher, I’m not sure the movie would have been exponentially better, since they managed to put together a hell of a cast. Howard Peel and Jane Powell were fine, and beyond that they were forced, due to the lack of budget, to work with people who were under contract to MGM and available. Luckily, those people included Russ Tamblyn (a gymnast rather than a dancer per se) and the amazing Tommy Rall, who never had a huge movie career but was in both Kiss Me Kate and our last Club entry, the not terribly popular Pennies from Heaven. I haven’t been able to find any explanation for Jacques D’Amboise’s presence, but it definitely elevated (sic) the level of dance. They also had, in addition to Howard Keel, a second non-dancer, Jeff Richards, who sits out most of the big numbers. (Literally, in the case of “Goin’ Courtin’” – you can see him sitting at the right of the set clapping along while Jane dances with the other five brothers.)

A couple of other points: It was directed by Stanley Donen, after *Singin’ in the Rain *but before Funny Face, Pajama Game, and Damn Yankees.

They originally planned to use authentic folk music for it, but ended up hiring Johnny Mercer (who also wrote lyrics for songs like “Moon River,” “Satin Doll,” and “One for My Baby”) and Gene de Paul (okay, not a major songwriter, but he did write “Cow Cow Boogie,” which has to count for something).

This is the movie that made me fall in love with Howard Keel, when I was a teenager. The man was seriously hot!

I also liked the way Millie was played. After finding out why Adam had married her, she didn’t collapse in a quivering heap, she got seriously pissed off at him and the brothers. Remember when she turned the table over? Then she told her new husband that “a hired girl deserves a room of her own”. In the language of the 50’s that meant she wasn’t going to sleep with him. Well, that changed of course, he apologized, sort of.

But she threw him out again after the kidnapping! And it took a sincere effort on his part(saying he would take the girls back) before she accepted him again.

Don’t ever watch this movie except in wide screen format. You miss so much if you watch it on full screen TV.

I love muscials, especially those from the 50’s and 60’s, but this is my favorite. It hurts to have to choose, but there it is. I also love “Kiss Me Kate”, “Singin in the Rain” and “Paint Your Wagon.” With the latter I’m referring to the film version, and in spite of the fact that none of the three leads were good singers. Jean Seberg was dubbed even. But that scene where she asks WHY she shouldn’t be able to have two husbands is my favorite in the movie.

I find this movie disturbing.

The courting plan Howard Keel brings to his brothers is the Rape of the Sabine Women?

Only Howard Keel could get away with discussing a woman’s skin as “hide” and then, only with small percentage of women.

The ‘implied’ sex with sheep should be funny but I’m too creeped out by that point in the film.

I agree that the ‘dance/fight’ at the barn raising is a fantastic scene and I do like the song “Going Courtin’”.

When I was a kid my grandparents bought one of those early clunky VCRs and an enormous satellite dish and started recording their favorite movies, and this must have been one of them because I can’t count how many times I watched it. It was probably a terrible copy.

It was great fun to see it again after so many years. My favorite song is “Bless Your Beautiful Hide”, and I had forgotten just how good the the barn-raising dance scene is.

I got my 12-yr-old to watch most of it this with me last night. At one point he said sarcastically, “So what are they going to do, kidnap the women?”

Milly disappoints me by giving in too soon. I’d have made Adam spend at least one night in the tree.

I need to pull out my copy of Connie Willis’s short novel Remake, because I remember this film being featured in it. It’s a sci-fi story about a guy in a dystopian future whose job is to drastically edit old movies in order to remove objectionable content, such as any mention of alcohol or tobacco. I remember him being pleased that he didn’t have to butcher *Seven Brides *too much.

As an aside–the story upon which ‘Seven Brides For Seven Brothers" was based was called "The Sobbin’ Women" by the incredibly under-appreciated (and nowdays totally forgotten, I’m sorry to say) author: Stephen Vincent Benet who’s big claim to fame was “The Devil And Daniel Webster” (as well as the poem “John Brown’s Body”)

And I agree with the OP about the Barn Raising number as being the most macho ballet ever.

Quasi-obligatory Monty Python version of Seven Brides For Seven Brothers on You Tube.

I just rewatched this last weekend, right after I rewatched “1776.” What I remembered was the fantastic dancing, and it is fantastic. But the film itself? I went from having a good feeling about it to just being a bit grossed out, really. I’ve been singing “Going Courtin’” ever since, so it’s not the music (though the emotin’/courtin’ rhyme bugs the hell out of me).

They used the “Sabine” of the rape of the Sabine women, but they conveniently forgot the “rape” part of the title. I dunno. Gross sexual assault as a plot point in a lightweight musical? It skeeves me out.

Usually, the plot of any musical is secondary to my enjoyment. In this one, the plot ruins my enjoyment.

I forgot this was coming up, but while it’s been a few years since I’ve watched my copy I remember it quite well. The barn raising dance has always been one of my all-time favorites; “Goin’ Courtin’” is an amusing number (I used to quote the “What do I need with manners? I already got me a wife.” line, which always got me a shot in the arm from my wife).

Yes, the plot has its weak points as pointed out by previous posters. One that always bugged me was that when the spring thaw finally came and the townspeople were finally able to get through to rescue the kidnapped women, they believed that the crying baby belonged to one of their daughters. Are winters there so long that a woman could conceive and give birth during one?

It was before global warming.

JSGoddess-Outside of the pick-em-up and carry-em-off bit (and this is a musical–it’s just fine to pick a woman up and carry them off*), where is even the slightest hint of impropriety? Whatshername–Keel’s wife is a) horrified, b) acts as a chaperone and c) keeps the “brides” completely separate from the brothers. It’s been a couple of years since I’ve seen it, but don’t the “brides” kick the brothers out of the house and force 'em to spend the winter in the barn (except for meals)?

Mostly off topic: Kiss Me, Kate was filmed in 3D (it’s really obvious during the “Tom, Dick and Harry” dance number) but the 3D craze had died out by the time they finished. Does anyone know if the 3D print exists? A 3D musical would be cool.

*It’s also ok to kiss a woman who, up to now, has only expressed hatred and contempt for you. It’s also ok to reach over, take off her glasses, unpin her hair as long as you say in a stunned voice, “Why Miss Smith! Y…you’re BEAUTIFUL!” after.

On the other hand, forcing a woman to dance? That’s a no-no. Enticing her to dance (Sister Sarah, Marion the Librarian) is fine…but FORCING her to dance? That’s a ‘punching in the nose’ offense. "

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I love this movie, even though I do find the plotline somewhat creepy. When I was a kid I watched it every time it came on TV. After I was grown I had a job delivering cars all over the US (this was in the 1980’s). I had delivered a car to, if I remember correctly, Columbus, Ohio and had time to kill before my bus back the next morning. They had restored a huge old glorious theater in the downtown area and were having the grand opening that night. Just for kicks I walked down there from my hotel to see what was playing, and it was this movie! I practically jumped for joy. To see it again, but this time on film, on a huge screen, was magnificent!

Another time in the 80’s we had a (male) friend visiting us from another city. I talked my husband, the friend, and another (male) friend into watching this. It was a crazy suggestion and I still don’t know why I even tried. I told them that loving the movie was a childhood thing with me and that I would totally understand if they all hated it and wanted to stop it and put something else on. That’s exactly what I expected to happen, but they all liked it a lot! I was very surprised.

Isn’t that like saying “Outside of this heinous crime, where’s the crime?” Kidnapping and assault isn’t enough?

A 3D print of Kiss Me, Kate must exist because a number of years ago the Chicago Film Festival included a series of 3D movies as part of its presentations. I remember this because I was unable to go to it, and was really annoyed at the lost opportunity to see both this and the Vincent Price House of Wax, among others, in 3D.

JSGoddess–within the “rules” of an MGM musical, that’s NOT assault–and it’s just barely kidnapping–slightly worse than keeping a girl out after curfew but only slightly. The spanking scene in “Kiss Me Kate” isn’t spousal abuse within the rules of an MGM Musical world either whereas in the real world, I’d advise Lily to have whatshisname up on charges so quickly his head would spin… Nor is the pie in the face bit from “Singin’ In The Rain”. Hell, “Gigi” is about a girl being groomed to be a high-priced prostitute and it’s OK–the world’s “rules” are simply different in a musical’s context. There’s a nifty book (The Incredible Umbrella) where a character falls into a “Gilbert and Sullivan” world that looks at what it would be like to live in a musical world where the rules are different. :slight_smile:

< the rest is tongue in cheek…mostly :wink: >
And after watching a few scenes, I gotta say, if the choice is whatshername’s (Milly–I just looked it up) method of gettin’ women (“Goin’ Courtin’”)

(to the tune of a friggin’ MINUET! Wimp music! :wink:

or Adam (Keel’s) advice in “Sobbin’ Women”

…I know which one (given the “rules” of the world of MGM musicals) I’d choose. :wink: :smiley:

The difference in rules wasn’t just MGM-specific, either – culturally, the world was a hell of a lot different 50 years ago than it is now.

Also, keep in mind that “rape” in a literary context doesn’t have the same moral weight that it does in today’s legal usage. Helen’s abduction to Troy is referred to as a “rape,” for instance. And Wiki on the rape of the Sabine women:

True–think of all the “Ricky spanks Lucy” scenes in “I Love Lucy”–from context there’s no hint that anyone thinks there’s anything abusive about it…and for that matter, Lucy sure doesn’t resist at all.

Heh–that aside, now I’m trying to think of other “rules” for musicals:

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[li]Any woman who’s hair you let down and glasses you take off will be beautiful afterwards.[/li][li]You can’t listen in to other people’s solos (unless you’re going to reprise them later) unless they’re singing the solo to YOU. So if I sing you a song in the middle of a crowded room, no-one else can use that information (See “How To Succeed”, the “Gotta Get That Man”/“I Believe In You” scene)[/li][li]90% of the time, if a doll open-face slaps a guy, that means she likes him. (Guys and Dolls SLAP…“I’ll come in again sometime in case you wanna take a crack at the other cheek”) [/li][li]Dancing with a guy/gal is MUCH more intimate that singing with a guy/gal. [/li][li]Unless it’s for ironic, comedic or dramatic purposes, no-one can interrupt a song…and even then, the interrupter usually gets swept into the song (“Everybody Ought To Have A Maid” from Forum)[/li][/ul]
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I don’t live in a musical and I find this film skeevy. You seem to be claiming that’s not allowed.

When I was a 10 year old boy, I made the mistake of asking my parents, in front of my 3 brothers, if it was OK if I stayed up late so I could watch “SBFSB” on late night TV. The laughter started with my parents and ended with my youngest brother about 5 minutes later. A few months back they told my wife about it and wondered if I was going to pass on my love for SBFSB to my son. Is it gay to like musicals or something? Screw 'em all, it is a damn good movie.

No–sorry if I was coming across that way–I was trying to be tongue in cheek/kidding around.

I loved this musical from childhood - I made the mistake of mentioning this to a staunch uuber-feminist who gave me the “lowdown”. We’re not supposed to like this film.:eek:

I still love this musical - I won’t post all the reasons already listed above.

(I’m not in theSDMB musical group) I’m an infiltrator.