I was saying that I got the impression from some fans that if something happens involving magic, it somehow doesn’t involve the DC universe, since the heros aren’t seen as part of it. Now that I think of it, I realize how stupid it sounds.
Considering Dr. Fate’s membership in the JSA, the Spectre’s membership in the JSA, Zatanna and the Phantom Stranger in the JLA, Swamp Thing’s crossover with Batman, The Justice League International making a guest appearance in Sandman, and Daniel-Morpheus cropping up in both JSA and JLA - yeah.
Yes, but he was still part of the party, as it were. The trend from 7S #0 and SK #1 continues!
And Detective Chimp? Really? I had though on passing on DoV, but now I have to check it out.
I bet he’s the new Spectre.
Dude, no. You bet that there were six on Zee’s trip, and there were only five. You lose. Pay up. 
Baron Winter never crossed into any of the funny dimensions. He didn’t go on the trip. In both other examples, a party of six was seen battling Neb-uh-loh and friends. Here, we have a party of five, and no Nebbie. Guardian didn’t reference the six against Nebbie meme, there’s no reason to stretch the facts of Zatanna’s book to try and make a connection here.
I believe Menocchio’s point is that six = failure, whether Neb-u-Loh is directly involved or not. As for stretching the book to connect with the rest of Seven Soldiers, well, um, check the title. 
This was a set-up issue and so far the weakest of the series. Also, I’ve never liked Zatanna because trying to decipher her spells gives me a headache. I don’t know enough about what’s going on down the road yet. I did love that the rabbit is named Spoo. Also, the world-hopping pages were lovely – I think they were supposed to remind the reader of the transformation pages of I, Spyder from SS #0. Of course, they reminded me more strongly of Promethea.
Yeah, I’d been planning to pass on Day of Vengeance as well until I heard that Detectivve Chimp is involved.
–Cliffy
[Picard]There. Are. FIVE. Characters! [/Picard]
And that’s my point. You don’t need to conjure up some false theme-repetition of groups of six, you have the title. You don’t need to distort the facts. Guardian and Zatanna’s books didn’t repeat the six-as-losers meme. Shining Knight’s and the Lead-In did.
Ok, not even I can pretend that this thing is keeping to standard DC continuity anymore. Is it a separate reality? A retcon of Klarion’s origin told in the past tense? Simple willfull disregard for continuity? I don’t know. I also don’t care.
What I do care was that it was nifty. Roanoke is one of the creepier parts of American history, and it’s played with well here (even though the Pruitans were further north, but oh well). Limbo Town’s odd mix of oppressive Puritanism and Pagan Necromancy is one of the more provocative fantasy societoes I’ve seen recently. I liked the society of witches, all with their own famillars. It has a Harry Potter vibe, gone horribly, horribly wrong.
I do wish the previews page was more careful with spoilers. I really didn’t need to know how Guardian and Klarion were connected until it happened.
Again, a radically different vobe than the other books seen so far. I’d give this one a tie with Guardian as teh stronges 7S book yet.
Care to spoil how they’re connected? For financial reasons, I think Klarion is one of the miniseries I’m going to elect to not follow.
I like Shining Knight best so far, in terms of an enjoyable standalone story. Klarion, on the other hand, is really distinctive. And I like that.
With regard to previous Klarion continuity, I recall a Comic Shop News interview with Morrison where he said he just “couldn’t” use Peter David’s version of the character from Young Justice. So it’s willful.
Busy busy me. Maybe I’ll get to the LCS this weekend, maybe not. 
–Cliffy
I gotta say Klarion has been the most enjoyable for me, both art- and story-wise. Actually, the story was kind of hard for me to follow, but the atmosphere was great (well, that’s basically Grant Morrison’s M.O.). What a brilliantl darkly funny and creepy opening! It will definetly be interesting to see how Klarion’s and Guardian’s, the most superhero-y of the characters so far, stories intersect. (The character’s aren’t actually suppposed to meet, right?)
To the best of my ability to read preview boxes, their “intersection” will consist of a certain mystical widget in a certain location appearing in both titles. No meeting has been mentioned yet.
Actually, what I was alluding to was something I read before elsewhere. I just found it here:
Which I goes along with the claim that the books will work as stand-alone minis.
I thought Klarion was fantastic. Probably my favorite of the 7S books so far.
Great artwork and I love the atmosphere.
I agree with Menocchio that the whole thing is nowhere near the actual DCU, though. Which is for the best, I think. That means that Peter David’s Witch Boy can still be used in the real DCU.
To be fair to Morrison, I don’t think PAD’s vision of Klarion was terribly faithful to previous protrayals either. It was pretty goofy, whereas other versions were quite sinister and dark. Klarion’s essentially a bratty, cruel child who does have the power to get his way, all the time. Quite scary. I thought Grant was returning to that when I had heard that quote.
This, a synpathetic, low-powered, and understandable, if not quite heroic, Klarion, is something else entirely, of course, and I doubt he’s meant to replace anything.
Morrison, I believe from his track record, is one of those writers who thinks that strict adherence to continuity, outside of the story you yourself are telling and certain core concepts of the characters, is not a virtue. I agree, but other writers, like Geoff Johns, demonstrate that it isn’t a vice, either.
Continuity is like the frosting on a cake. Good frosting will never make a badly prepared cake taste good, just as smoothly fitting into continuity will never excuse an otherwise poor story. Good frosting can complement a cake, but some cakes don’t need frosting at all.
Is Seven Soldiers canon for the DCU? Maybe. Maybe parts of it are and parts of it aren’t. It all depends on later writers, I guess. But it hardly matters. Astonishing X-Men isn’t canon in the DCU either, and I’m enjoying that.
To be fair to Peter David, had Klarion made a post-Crisis DCU appearance prior to Sins of Youth?
Yeah, in the late, lamented HAWK & DOVE series by Kessel (one of the best books of the '80s, which was killed by the stoopid Armegeddon 2000 (or whatever it was called) series). In it, he was a very scary, very bratty kid–similar to, but scarier than David’s version. And Teekel could turn into a very hot naked babe.) IIRC, he was tied into the whole Chaos/Order thing that was going on at the time (which I didn’t like)
The look and personality of Morrison’s Klarion is much closer to Kirby’s original vision from DEMON.
Karl Kesel, or someone with a different name?
I did miss out on the Hawk/Dove action at the time - though I should point out, David has one more justification for a revamp - Zero Hour.
Armageddon 2001.
Naked babe, you say? To the back issue boxes!
Kesel–I can never remember the spelling.
No, I’m saying David doesn’t need a justification–his Klarion is more-or-less right in line with the earlier Kesel version and as far as I know, Klarion’s first post-Crisis appearance was in H&D.
Ahh, okay. I thought you were lamenting the shift in the character’s personality.