Wish I was working for that company. Sounds like fun.
Melin nailed it – and it should be mentioned to yer Corp. Atty that yer EPL carrier will have you for lunch if this kind of thing is going on in full view and no one has taken active steps to put a lid on it.
Ye need only mention the term ‘limits of carrier’s exposure’ to ensure the attention of all concerned.
My own EPL carrier was happy to send a few folks into the office to conduct a short seminar for the employees, and explained the whole thing to them in real world terms that are hard to convey in a written policy. Perhaps such a ‘gentle’ approach might take a nervous management wonk off the hook, while sending the required message.
Dr. Watson
"Yikes! I’d better get back to me own office party, now that you mention it . . . "
Yes, you should also get some evidence, like hidden video. Then mail me a copy so I can check it out for authenicity.
Handy, what’s with you lately? You usually have something worthwhile to add, lately you’re just sounding like a jerk.
-Melin
Im sorry you feel that way Melin.
Be careful about taping stuff - check your local laws first. In New York State, if you’re a party to a conversation, you can carry a little tape recorder in your pocket, and tape everything w/o telling anyone (I’ve done that on a few occasions). Many states are different, as Linda Tripp found out the hard way.
dlv, it’s legal [as far as I know at this point] to video someone without their consent. You can’t do the audio part.
Melin, you are a California attorney, and if you look at that EEOC page it clearly states:
“It is helpful for the victim to directly inform the harasser that the conduct is unwelcome
and must stop. The victim should use any employer complaint mechanism or grievance
system available.”
If you also note the initial post above, it states very clearly that it was ANOTHER woman in the office that was morally offended by the behavior. As Judge Judy/Jerry/Joe would state, that is clearly hearsay and you should know better. If the person wishes to file a complaint, they must know the rules for the state/company, etc, they are in about this sort of conduct and the appropiate measures available to them in which they should deal with this.
Id ask you how many times you took the bar exam, but I know you passed the first time.
IANAL, but I asked one. It really varies a lot by state. E.g., years ago, we moved a meeting fom NJ to NY so we could tape it w/o telling everyone (which is legal in NY and not legal in NJ, according to a real lawyer I asked).
Zette, I’m not sure what state you’re in, but in some “sneaking gropes” is not simply sexual harrassment, it’s sexual assualt. so, if the boss isn’t doing anything about it, he’s complicit in potential criminal actions as well as civil ones.
wasn’t “sneaking” gropes supposed to end in Junior High? Jeez, if people are going to grope me (thank you, yes, please0 do it openly!
Bucky
Ummm Bucky, in this case, I don’t think the person getting the gropes is complaining, its the persons who watch the groping.
People need to stop being so sensitive. Someone said something that made me uncomfortable. Big deal. Get over it and grow up, you are adults and I doubt anything that is going on there will scar you emotionally. Hey, here’s a thought, have some guts and speak up to the people themselves if they offend you. Maybe if you let them know how you feel (gag, people and their fragile feelings) they will be more respectful. I’m not excusing their behavior as if it were appropriate, but geez, don’t act like this is destroying some fragile soul. Oh wait, maybe you or you’re friend is a virgin and has never had wild kinky sex. My bad.
PitBullDawg
Wow Pit…I never thought of that. Excellent point. Your insightful advice has solved this dillemma completely! Thanks for taking the time to set us all straight.
Who moved the rock?
Zette
Love is like popsicles…you get too much you get too high.
Not enough and you’re gonna die…
Click here for some GOOD news for a change Zettecity
It rolled over by itself. It didn’t like what was under it.
(But Pit’s theory that the girl that feels uncomfortable about all the perfectly normal same-sex activity around her because she’s herself a closet Lesbian in denial and is afraid of getting turned on watching other people do what she’d secretly like to do, pant, pant, pant, certainly warrants some debunking.)
Never accuse my advice of being insightful. My mother accused me of being insightful once. Once!
Pit
AuraSeer puts up a hand-painted sign:
PLASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL
Aura…lol!
Excellent advice…
Thanks to everyone who posted legal and moral advice here. I sure appreciate it!
Zette
Love is like popsicles…you get too much you get too high.
Not enough and you’re gonna die…
Click here for some GOOD news for a change Zettecity
Hmmm, maybe I don’t need a day or two to decide about the pitbullshi*, uh, I mean pit bull dawg after all.
Ayesha - Lioness
There are two solutions to every problem : the wrong one, and mine
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