Now, where was this party again?
Dr. J
The sickest thing about this?
School uniforms, in reality, are ugly. I was a Little Catholic School Girl TM in a blue plaid uniform. Picture heavy, itchy, SHINY stiff polyestor. In an ugly blue and red plaid. Now picture it in a longish (past knees) pleated skirt, with a white, round collared blouse, white socks and dress shoes, with a plain navy blue cardigan-a very cheap looking cardigan, that Grampa might wear.
Blech blech blech.
London_Calling, I have always found this sort of thing very, very creepy. I don’t know if it encourages pedophiles or not, but even if it doesn’t it seems. . .wrong, somehow. Even if there is no potential harm to real children (and I’m not certain that this is the case), I don’t think it can be good for adult sexual relationships if female sex appeal in general is strongly associated with helplessness and vulnerability.
I’ve seen other students at my college affect this sort of little girl look (pigtails, lunchbox purses, miniskirt and knee socks), and sometimes I want to just start shouting at them: “You’re a GROWN WOMAN! For crying out loud, have a little respect for yourself and act like an ADULT, not some childlike plaything who’ll need a man to look out for her forever!” But somehow I manage to restrain myself.
Guin, it depends what school you went to. At most public schools in Sydney the girl’s uniform can get almost pornographic before the admins cut in. My girlfriends old uniform has a skirt that comes almost but not quite halfway down her thighs.
sailor, I deleted your link. Please do not post links of people licking other people.
Lynn Bodoni
For the Straight Dope
[insert Aww Shucks smiley here]
What about people licking themselves…?
Ok [sub]sorry [sub]sorry…[/sub][/sub]
This thread is really spoiling my fun. 
The impression I got from the OP was that both men and women dress in school uniforms at these parties. Anyway, I think school uniforms are sexy, they were sexy when I was at school and they are sexy now (worn by the right person). I agree with Jimm, I think we often associate school uniforms with:
- Unrequited love
- Sexual awakenings
- :rolleyes:
- Lots of if-only-I-knew-then-what-I-know-now situations
Though I wouldn’t attend a school-uniform party (just cause I’m not into dressing up and stuff), I understand the motivations of someone who would and I don’t see anything wrong with them. I don’t see that it would encourage paedaphiles (sp?).
BTW I think that the type of school uniform that is associated with being sexy is rather stylised, I would rather that my daughter (if I had one) not wear a school uniform in the stereotypical sexy way, ie very short skirt, knee high boots, fishnet stockings :), I think that most sensible school girls don’t wear their uniforms like this.
Oh and one more thing, perhaps the alure of a uniform for a paedophile (alternate sp?) is a good reason to do away with uniforms all together. This assumes such an alure exists.
This is (on re-reading) a bullshit statement as I understand that most paedophilia (I’ve settled on that spelling) involves boys rather than girls, and doing away with school uniforms obviously isn’t going to do away with paedophilia.
Ok, I’ll shutup now.
Shouldn’t that be dependant upon which part of the other person is being licked? And the context in which it is?
I’m afraid I’ll need to see the pic to determine the veracity of that edit.
Lynn – I can completely understand you deleted the link because of policy. Just wanted to say, obviously IMHO, that it was a little unfortunate in this case as it illustrated the OP perfectly: No face, just a side view of a woman of indeterminate age dressed as a schoolgirl at a party or club with her blouse open and with a man licking a nipple. However, rules is rules.
Regarding the OP, the breaking news here this morning is that a 28-year old man and a 25 year-old woman have been charged with the murder (and he with the abduction) of the two 10 year-old girls mentioned in the OP – he is/was the caretaker at the school the girls attended. The bodies of Jessica and Holly have not yet been found but articles (probably of clothing) have been removed from the caretaker’s house.
God help those poor girls. God help their grieving families.
I imply no generalised, society level linkage between points one and two (immediately above) because I have no friggin clue.
Q restated: Does the fact that thousands of women (including mothers) will tonight dress as highly sexualised, provocative under 16 year-old girls contribute in any sense to a dumbing down, a blurring of the boundaries (well put, QueenAl), a sense of ‘less unacceptance’ (sic) of schoolgirls as objects of desire – yep, fantasy and action are wholly distinct. But, at the same time, is it wholly responsible ?
Thanks for the responses so far. Some have been really helpful. Only one though, I believe, from a mother. Anyone else ?
Have there been any studies to suggest that paedophiles are affected by uniforms or other evidence of being of school age?
I’d agree that there has been a more public sexualisation of school (girl) outfits, but I’m not sure if a link could be drawn to paedophilia. Schoolgirls sometimes wear some pretty damn risque outfits regardless (and always have, at least as far back as I can remember). I’m still inclined to view the School Disco phenomenon as separate and more about a nostalgia for adolescent innocence combined with a relief that it’s all nice and legal now.
All of the people I know who’ve been to the club are twentysomething or thirtysomething office types, looking for cheap thrills. I’m not sure whether any other uniform fetish wouldn’t have had the same effect (the school fetish being chosen since it’s something everyone would have experienced, unlike, say, a nursing fetish).
I Yahooed it and apparently it also means taking “X,” ecstasy. You kids today with your groovy lingo.
Crusoe/Matt – Paedophilia is, if you will, the more tabloidy, sensationalist end of the potential spectrum, IMHO. For example, there is no suggestion to my knowledge, that the caretaker currently charged with the two girls abduction and murder was a paedophile yet he, or someone, did what they did anyway.
Is the difference between a paedophile the difference between thought and action – if so, what contributes (if anything does at all), on a society level, to an individual crossing that boundary ?
See restated Q (above)
I think I’m the only one in the thread so far that’s been to one of these parties.
There’s a pub in town that runs a weekly schoolies party. Let me stress this isn’t some kind of fringe event. This is a popular, “fashionable” pub in the middle of town. The people that go there are quite normal. For the night in question, I broke out my school-leaving shirt (uniform shirt covered with handwritten messages – largely obscene :)). I even found a school cap.
It was a good night. Incredibly silly theme, but a lot of good fun.
I don’t think this has anything to do with paedophilia or even the the sexual objectification of schoolgirls. Remember that the men dress up as school boys too. You may have women pretending to be school girls – and acting very sexual – but they’re with men pretending to be school boys. (Gawd, sounds so silly put that way!) This takes it out of the realm of “corrr! shagging school birds!” into silly nostalgia for our high school days.
Interesting question. Without wanting to spark a semantic debate, though, isn’t a paedophile defined by thought as much as action? We simply don’t see ‘thought paedophiles’ in the public eye because they haven’t done anything to be noticed.
IMHO (and this is just IMHO) there is something ‘different’ between a fetish for schoolgirls in uniform and a fetish for schoolgirl uniforms. I can’t explain it well, but to me it suggests a kind of roleplaying. While I can’t deny it might be disturbing to many, I have a feeling that any genuine schoolgirl going to one of these clubs would be kicked out sharpish. I hope. Are the lines blurring? I honestly don’t know; I’d thought of these clubs as ‘safe’ places to live out seedy nostalgia removed from the very real worries and moral guilt of acting on the ‘real thing’. I haven’t seen much in the way of school sexualisation in the media beyond what I was always used to.
I’m rambling here. In short; is it the schoolgirl, or the school uniform?
Yep Narrod, but with all due respect, you - and your views on you - aren’t the issue. If you read my last couple of posts you’ll see that, perhaps, the question is: What contributes to potential abdutors/paedophiles crossing that boundary (from thought to action) on a society level - does blurring the boundaries, does dumbing down. Does it make the temptation less easy, less problematic, to resist ?
an opinion from a mother:
Adult women dressing as schoolgirls does not mean they are or are condoning sexualising of young school girls.
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As various posters have said, it’s more about reliving past times, except this time you’re not a spotty, awkward teenager. Adults like nostalgia. Adults like sex. Put the two together…
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The dressing up-school uniform is a highly stylized, cartoonish version - how many real schoolgirls wear stockings and suspenders, or lsuck suggestively on lollipops ?
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My 12 y.o. wears trousers, a loose blouse, sweatshirt and sensible shoes. she dresses for comfort and to obey school rules. Closer to the “sexy schoolgirl look” are some of the older girls (15 -ish) will often wear very short skirts and tight blouses. They choose to do so, because they want to look sexy. It’s mostly for the benefit of the boys in the school next door. These boys, being of a similar age and with as many raging hormones will find them sexy, and may devote great deal of time and effort into making their fantasies reality. This is what teenagers do.
- Adult men may also find these older girls sexy - this is fair enough (the girls are dressing to be sexy, after all), so long as they remember that , first these girls have not dressed with them in mind, it is not for their benefit. And second, even if it were, as a responsible adult, they do not encourage the behaviour, convince themselves that this kid is different and it’s ok to form and adult relationship etc.
Personally, if anything mainstream can be said to be sexualising children or pandering to paedophiles, I’d suggest it is feel the cult of youth, where only young, lithe, fresh faced girls are considered attractive.
This, I think is where the uncomfortable, guilty feelings of sensible adult men come from - the conflict between finding a teenager attractive, since this is the image that the media bombards us with, and not wanting to, because this is not acceptable behaviour.
Hasnt this type of thing been popular in japan and the like for ages ?
In fact according to jlist (its a company that imports japanese stuff to america) has said its “sailor” suit is one of the most popular items sent to the us
So maybe its just hit mainstream ?