Sheesh Docs You Went to School for 9+ yrs Can't You Make a Bill People Can READ?

I swear I hate medical bills not only because they are expensive but because you have to be an accountant to understand them. I mean as smart as doctors are couldn’t they make billing easier and more upfront. I mean doctors hate discussing money. I mean ask a doctor what a procedure cost and he won’t answer you. Like he doesn’t know. He will refer you to some bookkeeper that has a hard time answering you.

Listen if you are going to charge someone 15 grand for a 40minute surgury, you should tell them that ahead of time not a month later when you get the bill.

Another thing I hate is itemize charges and expensive charges for inexpensive stuff like aspirin, gauzes(sp) and other little incidentals. I mean it is riduculous.

Then the insurance companies make it confusing too. With all their deductables, coinsurance and total out of pocket expenses. Plus alot times they don’t pay for things which they should and you have no idea because the bills are so damn confusing. So the doctor sticks you with the bill the insurance company refuses to pay.

I mean why do doctors have two prices one that they would charge people off the streets and a discounted one to the insurance companies. What’s so bad is the street price is just plain riduculous that the average street person couldn’t afford it but the rich ass insurance companies that could afford get the price break makes no sense.

You know I know there are doctors on this board. And ya’ll do deserve to make alot of money since you spent so much of your life in some class room learning how to make people better. But couldn’t you at least make it simpler for your customers/patients to understand your damn bill?

Sorry for the rant but man you oughta see all these bills.

So, how do you like 'em, Bill? Firm enough for ya?

ROFLOL Good one coldfire dude! I needed a good laugh this morning. I wish I was enjoying them but it wasn’t breast it was a little devil kidney stone.

Where’s my big bucks? I spent so much of my life in some class room learning how to make people better, too. I offer a quote from Maeglin as my cite, when he noted that he had no phone, internet, TV, or stereo at home:

Classical education: making people better for centuries.

What makes you think the docs have anything at all to do with setting the fees, or making up the bills these days? That stuff has been taken out of the hands of most physicians in the US. And we rarely get paid the amount that is billed anyway. Rant. Rant.

QTM

Well, pal, $15,000 might seem like a lot, but try passing one of those babies and you’ll think the surgery was a bargain at twice the price.

IINOD,NHIEHAKS,F (I am not a doctor, nor have I ever had a kidney stone, fnord.)
From speaking to women who have had kidney stones and children, the former are the closest thing that men will ever experience to the latter.

Actually Abe kidney stones are more painful than childbirth. The reason I think is because in childbirth you get bad pain with contractions then you get a break. With kidney stones there are no breaks just pain.

Rickjay like I said I am not much complaining about the price it is more about “how” they charges and why they were so evassive when I asked about prices. Because yes I wanted that sucker OUT!

So, Bill, when was the last time you gave birth?

Short answer:

Because doctors don’t like you.

Oh, and there’s actually no such thing as “cholesterol”, either.

Mwa ha ha HA HA HA HA!

I love my work.

Dr. J

Doctor J,

I thought you would really shed some light on this. And like I said I like doctors I just don’t the way they bill.

And medea,

I heard that from women that had both kids and kidney stones and the ladies said the kidney stones hurt worse. As a matter of fact it is probably one of the most painful things there is worse than a gunshot or a broken bone for sure.

Like Q the M said, the doctor is very rarely in charge of the bill. It is usually the insurance company, and they want it to be as confusing as possible so they can more easily fine-tune the screwing they’re giving you.

It’s even worse in a university hospital. I’d bet that most of the doctors there–especially the residents–have no earthly idea what anyone is being charged. I once saw a sheet that had a few of the hospital charges on it, and saw that a dressing change cost something like $120. You mean, the one the resident sent me (the med student) to do between surgeries?

Dr. J

Sadly, medical bills are confusing.

IANAD, but I am a reimbursement specialist. It’s true the average doctor has no idea how much each procedure costs. This goes for most doctors, regardless of where they practice, although university doctors are the worst. (This has to do with the fact that insurance is often a relatively minor source of income because they get more from government and research dollars.)

I’m sure it warms your little heart to know that we don’t make bills confusing on purpose. However, if you call the hospital’s billing department (or your doctor’s office’s), they’ll be happy to explain all the charges and make payment arrangements with you. I mean, what’re they gonna do? Give you your kidney stones back? :wink:

Robin

LNO, you made my day.

Speaking of using one’s classical education to make people better, I haven’t seen Chapter One of the Discipline Clvb yet…everything still good to go?

IANAD and I have nothing substantial to add to this debate, but I would just like to express my admiration of Wildest Bill for having managed to put one of his hallucinogenic rants in the forum where it actually belongs. Well done!

(And all kidding aside Bill, you as a kidney stone sufferer have my sincerest sympathy. My RL-buddy jshore gets those sometimes (or rather, has gotten them in the past, since I prefer to believe every time that it’s the last time); I did not realize that people really could actually turn slightly green from pain.)

You know, the OP (and his subsequent posts) are almost so incoherant that I have trouble understanding what the hell this Bill is talking about either.

As someone who works in a doctor’s office (just for the summer, thank god), and also being the poor sot who sits at the front desk and takes the brunt of the billing complaints, I can tell you this, Bill.

It’s out of our hands.

It doesn’t matter what we charge, the insurance company decides what it will pay. There are “discount” prices for some insurance companies because the doctor belongs to that company’s network as a provider. The only way (that I’m aware of) that an insurance company will pay for stuff like office visits, labwork, surgery, etc., is if those services are carried out by a doctor within that company’s network. The “discount” is not actually a discount. Rather, it is an amount of the charge that the doctor writes off (and basically takes as a loss) to ensure that the insurance will pay the rest.

MsRobyn said:

When you do that, please, PLEASE, PLEASE be patient with the receptionist/billing clerk. Our computers act up, insurance payments may be outstanding, and looking into your account/ ledger takes some time. Hospitals have entire billing departments, so this suggestion mainly applies to individual practices. For example, our office has one billing clerk working on roughly 5500-6500 accounts at a time. Believe me, it’s difficult enough finding people to fill biller’s positions without having patients calling up screaming and cursing them and the last 5 generations of their family because the insurance company applied something to the deductible.

Also, if you need help deciphering an EOB (Explanation of Benefits) that you receive from your insurance, and if you don’t want to talk to someone at your doctor’s office, don’t throw it out! Call your insurance company (EOBs usually have 1-800 customer service numbers on them, and even if they don’t, it’s on your insurance card.)

The insurance company is the entity that makes the rules, not the doctor’s office. We don’t know why they do what they do sometimes. We’ve had charges rejected for no reason at all, and Medicare charges that weren’t billed because the mail wranglers at Medicare didn’t feel like processing claims and threw them out (!!). My basic point is that if the billers at your doctor’s office can’t answer your questions, your insurance company certainly can.

Oh, yeah. If you want to know how much a procedure costs, never ask the doctor. Ask his front office staff, since we are the people coding procedures and billing the insurance. If you’re wondering about hospital charges, call the hospital’s billing department rather than asking the doctor, since the doctors themselves rarely, if ever, handle the financial side of office business.

Another thing (what the hell, might as well make this post a little longer), if you don’t know what a deductible/coinsurance/copay/other weird insurance term is, ASK ASK ASK ASK ASK!!! Please! And believe the office staff when we tell you! We don’t lie when it comes to money matters! Honest! Don’t just assume it’s unimportant.

And once more, in case it didn’t register before, if we at your doctor’s office can’t answer your insurance questions (Like WHY there is such a thing as a deductible. I haven’t the slightest idea), your insurance company can. Don’t hesitate to call their customer support line (Wait times are NOT that long. I know), and while their operators are hardly the friendliest, they will explain everything to you.

This post is long enough, methinks. Can’t you tell it’s been a fun summer? :slight_smile:

Yeesh. Single-payer health insurance is looking better and better all the time.

Wildest Bill, my wife always told me that the pain goes away when you get a chance to hold the cute little bugger. Maybe you should just ask the doctor to hand you the little guy to cuddle with after the procedure.

Deductibles are there to [ul][li]reduce moral hazard - the situation in which an insured party modifies their behaviour because they know that they are insured. For example, if I know my house is insured and I remember 5 minutes after leaving home that I forgot to lock it, I might not bother to return to fix my error.[/li]
[li]Reduce admin by eliminating small claims.[/li]
which allows insurers to…

[li]Increase the cover that can be provided for a given premium, or reduce the premium for a given piece of cover.[/ul]Voluntary deductibles also act as a rating factor - someone voluntarily selecting a high deductible will probably be a better risk than someone going for the lowest deductible possible.[/li]
There. Aren’t you glad you asked?

pan