Sheltered and naive or judiciously prudent?

Ok folks… here’s the deal. I have never used any sort of drug (legal or otherwise) for recreational purposes in my life. That includes alcohol and all tobacco products. I’m 27 years old.

The question? What is my status? Am I depriving myself of valuable life experiences for no realizable good? Am I a deviant? (in the sense that I probably don’t fit the norm for most U.S. citizens) Or am I being sensible by abstaining from recreational drugs since I realize that my judgement and health could be impaired?

I hold to the latter opinion. But of course, it’s up for debate. :slight_smile:

Grim_Beaker

Seems like a reasonable position to me. Yes, you are depriving yourself of experiences that some folks have found desireable. You are doing so for reasons feel are sufficient to balance the “sacrifice”.

But you ain’t getting put in charge of my St. Patrick’s Day party, that’s for sure. [sub]Oh, the horror. How will you live with the shame?[/sub]

One thing I can tell you - by not having cultivated a desire for any of these things you’ve not only saved yourself from an unlikely addiction, but have saved yourself from having to exert alot of painful self-control. My father-in-law has not smoked in 20 years, but tells me that he would still enjoy smoking, and restrains himself. So the downside of these “vices” is not just for those who succumb, but even for those who ultimately do not.

Well, moderate alcohol consumption has been demonstrated to have beneficial cardiovascular effects.
Putting that aside, go for it. Just stop giving me those damn disapproving looks!!

Sua

I’ll go with “judiciously prudent.” I’ll even throw in “more disposable income” and “remember what and who I did last night.”

You are also not as small a minority as you think. Its just that we drunks and junkies are so damn loud, we seem to be a very large group.

I’ll also second (or third) “judiciously prudent.”

I didn’t start drinking until I was about your age (of course, I’m only four years older than you, so… ;)), and frankly, I’m still not that much of a drinker. I’ve only ever been drunk enough to have a hangover the next day twice, and never been so drunk that I couldn’t remember anything the next day.

And the closest I’ve ever come to partaking in a recreational drug was the amazing contact high I got at the first Sting concert I ever went to.

Besides, is there anything more entertaining than being the only sober person at a party? :smiley:

Dunno if this helps, but you’re not abnormal (or else we’re both abnormal, and thereby helping to skew the curve).

What I think is…what do you think?

If you think that your status is the best one to have, then I think so too. But you probably wouldn’t be asking the question if you weren’t in some doubt.

In addition to the risks you mention, the U.S. (if that’s where you live) can make your life miserable for just a little experimentation - far out of proportion to any damage you might cause society by your action.

After those caveats, I can tell you that, before I gave them all up in order to get a life, I had a lot of good fun with recreational chemistry.

Upon reflection, I probably haven’t done as much as the average 21st Century U.S. President. If you want some notes from my small experience with the recreational pharmacopaeia, read on.

DON’T DO ANY OF THESE EXCEPT AT HOME OR ANOTHER VERY SAFE PLACE. IN FACT, MOST OF THESE ARE ILLEGAL. SO DON’T DO THEM AT ALL. [ul]
[li]Cannabis: Loads of fun. Induces philosophy, time dilation and promotes one’s sense of the absurd. Everything which is enjoyable while straight is more so while high. I only quit when I realized that I was dreaming up lots of great things to do with my life, instead of doing any of them. But I could quit, because THC is not physically addictive.[/li][li]Cocaine: I don’t recommend it. Anything that can rob you of your ability to put it down should never be picked up. An alternative might be to slam five double espressos, sandpaper your nose, and burn all your money.[/li][li]Shrooms: Oh, my. I have only a little experience with FUNgus, but it was great. My first 'shrooms and my first Grateful Dead concert were both on my 25th birthday. Down the Rabbit Hole - learning Celestial Navigation well enough to find my way back to camp, and induced a dancing faerie to follow me home, despite the language barrier.[/li][li]Alcohol: See notes above for addictive substances. Sua is quite correct about the cardiovascular benefits, particularly the chemical mix in red wine. Any more than the minimum to induce a light buzz is a bad idea. But, it’s legal despite the fact that it is much more damaging to the human system than THC.[/li]Nicotine: Stay very far away. It is reputed to be harder to kick than heroin, and is not remotely worth it. Hardly a day goes by that I don’t find some reason to be grateful that I never smoked enough to get addicted. [/ul]

A fair choice.

But I hope you’ve also avoided coffee, tea and Coca-Cola.

I presume you’re referring to caffienated coffee, tea, and Cola products. After all, I’m living caffiene free, and I have a cup of ginseng peppermint tea every morning, and one of peppermint every evening.

:wink:

Whatsamatta? Tap water and cheez whiz not your thing? :smiley:

Certainly substance addiction is deplorable in all of it’s forms and to be avoided. What I don’t know is the gray area between complete abstinence and being severely addicted. How many people who do use recreational drugs actually end up as addicts? Are there body chemistry experiments which determine how much of a substance is safe for a particular individual?

I guess I just question the issue as some of my less-than-abstemious friends feel as if I’ve decided to pass on the best experiences life has to offer since the blow job was invented.

Is “better safe than sorry” always the best policy here?

INjudiciously prudent?
Or judiciously IMprudent?

Stoid…
just being picky about the redundancy

Well, this almost seems more like an IMHO question than a GD, but I’d have to say, Yes, with an and or No, with a But.

However, the first paragraph above encourages me to say in your case the answer is “yes.” Trust me ;), you’re not missing all that much, no matter what they say. Peer pressure is the worst reason to change a behaviour that hasn’t caused you any trouble in the past, and has likely kept you healthy.

::tossing leeks at Stoid for the grammar nitpick :D::

I guess my choice of title was injudiciously imprudent :wink:

Well, this is one of the victims of the war on drugs – accurate information. It is extremely difficult to find scientifically valid statistics on addiction rates and the safety of particular drugs, especially the illegal ones. I looked around on the web for such stats during a prior debate on the war on drugs, and was unsuccessful.
In all fairness to the war-on-druggers, illegal drug safety stats would be hard to generate because so many illegal drugs are adulterated on the street. Further, America is such an innumerate society most of us (including me) probably wouldn’t interpret the stats correctly even if they did exist.

F**k your moron friends. Yes, by definition you don’t know what you are missing, but hey, that’s life. I have never experienced the apparently awesome rush of a heroin high, but I’ve survived this long without it.

As a general rule of life, no. In terms of alcohol, drugs, etc., also no. But an informed, rational decision is always the best policy. You seem to have made such a decision. Congrats.

Sua

To each his own. If you are staying roughly within the law and aren’t harming others, then what does it matter? Stay within your comfort level.

Having said that, outsiders like me are still free to judge you according to our own standards. Personally, I would assess you as sheltered and naive. Tobacco and most illegal drugs have such a bad rap these days that I can sort of sympathize with a 27-year-old who hasn’t tried either of those. But peer pressure and social pressures to use alcohol are so ubiquitous in society that it’s hard for me to imagine the mind-set of someone who hasn’t even tried it once (unless because of purely religious reasons). You said that you abstain “…since I realize that my judgment and health could be impaired…” I assume you’re aware that trying a single beer or even two won’t impair your judgment or health any more than staying up a couple hours past bedtime one night.

Basically, I would be curious to know how averse to risk you are in other areas of your life as well. Let’s say that you lead an active life in other most other ways, venturing reasonable amounts of risk as warranted—for example, you take risks in love, in recreation, in business, and in the home, but you avoid tobacco, alcohol, and drugs (TAD) out of some kind of “my body is a temple” philosophy. Then I would likely give you a pass on that last part and agree that you’re merely prudent when it comes to what you put in your body.

But if you tend to be more than ordinarily risk-averse in many other areas of your life besides merely avoiding TAD, then I would start to wonder if you’re getting your money’s worth out of life. I would then call you sheltered, and possibly even naive. Judging by my own standards, of course, I tend to believe that life is for enjoying. I like to get around, sample experiences, and take some risks if the reward is right.

I realize there are trade-offs to a lifestyle weighted toward sensation and risk: I’ll probably have a creakier old age and die a little sooner than a more risk-averse version of me would. And my lifestyle requires a certain kind of self-discipline from me: It’s up to me to know when and how to stop drinking for the night, or cut back on the number of cigarettes I smoke per day, or save money toward retirement as opposed to spending it on immediate gratification. But I’m comfortable making those choices. Those additional responsibilities and trade-offs are part-and-parcel of a fun and interesting life for me.

But all my rambling about my own values is really just a footnote to my main message. Really, it’s not my business what you do with your life. You may get just as much enjoyment from the rational and thoughtful ordering and planning of a risk-averse lifestyle (if that describes your lifestyle, in fact) as I might get from the chaos of a hedonistic, risk-embracing lifestyle. And that is fine. I think that the bottom line is what I said in my first paragraph:

To each his own. If you are staying roughly within the law and aren’t harming others, then you shouldn’t need to apologize to the world for your choices. Stay within your comfort level.

I’d say “smart and prudent,” but I’ve been doing the exact same thing, and I’m 33 this year.

I find it more fun to abstain from drinking and watch my drunk friends act like ninnies. :slight_smile: Just call me Designated Sober Guy.