Heh, it is a truly heady experience being accused of intellectual dishonesty by someone who:
a) disapeared once I provided the source of Tino Sanandaji’s figures.
b) Continues to suggest he gave incorrect data, when I’ve already shown you how he got that figure.
Instead you’re continuing to rant in a pompous manner, at least have the decency to go back and privately re-read the thread. 
A little context, I linked to a post by University of Chicago PhD student Tino Sanandaji on his Super-Economy blog.
In the article Sanandaji made the following comment:
Sherwood considered this was fraudulent. Well, you can get the data directly by looking at the 2009 Employment database of Statistics Sweden. According to this, the share of the population 20-64 who were gainfully employed was:
Born in Sweden: 79.3%
Born in Asia, Africa, Latin America: 46.5%.
sigh Chen, you just walked right into the stoning-pit waving the “Jehovah Sux!” flag.
I don’t know who the hell SherwoodAnderson is, but–sight unseen–I trust him something like 9348 times more than I trust you. There are no posters on this board who are more mendacious and more untrustworthy than you. Seriously, none.
I try to provide citations for my data. If I’ve said anything you consider to be factually incorrect please point it out.
You must have some examples to justify such a strong comment?
Yes, in fact, your link in post #2 is a link to the “Finding Statistics” page of “Statistics Sweden”, and does not demonstrate what you claim it does. (I’ll admit to some mild curiousity as to why it’s in English. An EU thing?)
Please link either directly to the page you’re citing, or give us your method so that we can duplicate your results.
Click: Statistical database (on left):
Click: Labor Market
Click:“Population 16+ years (RAMS) at national level, employment, country of birth, latest year of immigration, age and sex. Year 2004-2009”
Make choices: (gainfully and not gainfully, region of birth, age, year)
Leave “latest year of immigration” and “sex” empty in order to get the full sample.
For a slightly older paper, in Swedish:
This cites 80% employment rate for Swedes versus a little below 55 percent for non-European immigrants (which includes North America and Oceania).
http://www.svensktnaringsliv.se/multimedia/archive/00023/Sj_lvm_l_i_syssels_t_23183a.pdf
Beards, stones, packets of gravel, get 'em while they last . . .
Hehe, I’m popping out and won’t be near the computer for a while Brain Glutton, I’ll leave you to hold the fort.
If that Sherwood Anderson character shows up offer him a beer and tell him to chill before launching another tirade.
Pleading guilty to pompous, denying dishonest!
He’s not 100% on the level, but I agree with most of his ideas and think he’s more intellectually honest than the likes of Ralleigh Rally, aka Brevik Jr, whose IP we need to submit to the Swedish authorities just in fucking case.
As it happens I’m on my way out as well so I’ll leave this as homework for Chen and get back tomorrow:
Please provide a link to the thread where this happened.
In the original thread where the claim was made I asked you two or three times to adress the stats that I had posted that were not consistent with Sanandajis. Finally you - as I recall it - thanked me for giving you additional data and that’s the last I saw of it.
Without going into too much elaboration, statistical data is only that, a stat. The sticky point is always interpretation because no statistical method can account for systematic labour market issues that exist in a country like Sweden. As I have 1st hand accounts available to me I’ll just mention couple of those; first, in order to be considered for any job in Swedish job market one has to have certified knowledge of Swedish language. Personally, I’d agree if there would not be a degree of judgment and estimation embedded in. In other words, you might even have a vocabulary for a job that you are applying but in most cases, it is a government official that is passing the judgment not the employer. Therefore, a potential employee has an obstacle that is sometimes incredibly discouraging.
Another thing is, as any immigrant who applies for a job in Sweden knows, native born Swedes are given explicit priority so in a times of scarce jobs guess who’ll end up with no job.
OK, eyeballing the numbers, the percentages you claim appear to be about right.
That probably moves you up a step or two from most mendacious. But, since I’ve now read the blog post you support, it doesn’t move you up a step or two in my respect.
And I’ll await SherwoodAnderson’s numbers.
How many roads must a man walk down to get a cite around here?
Board racist pits someone. This will end well.
I provided the clarification here.
If you genuinely didn’t see it, then that’s fine. I retract my comment about you being dishonest.
In relation to the pompous charge you pleaded guilty to that, so I guess that stands.
Ok, found the post. The simple explanation for why I - as you put it Chen - disappeared, and never responded to your follow-up, was because you posted it ~24 hours after my latest post in that thread and about ~50-60 h after I first said that the data seemed off, we had a couple of posts about it and you said - from what I understood it that you didn’t much see a big problem with that.
If you expect me to wait almost three days for you to find new numbers on the internet in response to a post I wrote and if you’re gonna feel all hurt that I in fact missed your follow-up - well then you could perhaps say something like: I agree, this seems strange. I’m gonna check this out and get back to you - but it’s gonna take a while.
Just a thought.
I’ll get back to the numbers tomorrow.
ETA: Ok, you posted the link already obviously.
Fair enough.
Not sure what the beef was that inspired the thread, but Sweden does have difficulty integrating immigrants into its workforce:
From: Lemaitre, G. 2007. The Integration of Immigrants into the Labour Market: The Case of Sweden, OECD Social, Employment and Migration Working Papers. Pages 5, 18, 19, 32
Sounds like some big problems were discrimination against foreigners, a large number of recent migrants, and distribution of migrants to areas irrespective of employment availability in those areas. Luckily, the longer the migrants remain in Sweden, the more their employment outcomes resemble those of native-born Swedes.
What was the argument about?
I think about whether Western Europe should allow Muslims to live there, or something…