Actually, he is. Elvis routinely raises points that can’t be ignored; it’s just his arguments that are crappy. Shodan rarely even manages the former.
In part, Elvis appeared believed Hillary should be the nominee because the Dems should not have to bend to the Reps demonization of the woman. But they do, aside from his other merits, Obama is also the pragmatic choice for nominee. A cautious Obama supporter should still find some difficulty in finding fault with E’s idealism.
Hence my repeated denial that Kerry’s divorce involved adultery.
I assume you mean this thread.
On preview, fuck it. No point in rehashing arguments no one is going to read.
Regards,
Shodan
PS - Welcome back, Scylla.
That’s it–thanks for the link! It’s every bit as funny as I remember it being (especially the ending pair of posts, in which you continued misrepresenting other people’s words in an effort to buttress your claim that I misrepresented other people’s words). You haven’t changed a bit, Shodan.
Daniel
I think Shodan has changed if you look at the broad picture. He’s lost some of his wit and seems a little bitter. I have no idea if that is personal or political, but I miss that other side of him. I remember some of the meatier things that he has written.
I feel compelled to type, “Shane! Come back!”
Which reminds me, Scylla! Great to see you! Hubba! Hubba!
Clearly, the next obvious step is to examine the medical records of Jane Wyman and the tax records of Nancy Davis.
You Americans are so damn cute when you confuse morality and politics.
Goddamn, this was the first thing I thought of after Scylla’s remark. I am about 150 pages away from finishing the book, too.
If there’s a “red dragon” tattoo on his back, I’m heading for the hills.
It has nothing to do with Elvis’s idealism, but his retarded, frustrating and downright annoying “debating” style. As Merkwurdigliebe so rightly pointed out in this thread (more precisely, this post), it’s called Conversational Terrorism. It’s so freakishly similar to Shodan’s, that sometimes I think they must be the same person*. Short of that being the case, I’d swear they have both either studied and memorized the linked page, or keep a printout beside their computer to use as a cheat sheet.
(*I’m not really accusing them of that, just illustrating my point.)
Elvis isn’t just Elvis about Hillary. Elvis is Elvis about pretty much any argument. I started running into him in gun threads, where he insisted there was no individual right in the 2nd Amendment. And that Miller proved it.
RTF is right, Elvis brings up good points. Sometimes Shodan does too. But mostly by accident, as far as I can tell.
Welcome back, Scylla. Missed you. Next time, I’ll get your wife to aim lower. She tried to kill you anytime lately?
No, Shodan isn’t a troll. A troll is just looking for a response.
Shodan’s a True Believer. He’ll be lying there with his arms and legs cut off but he means it when he says it’s just a flesh wound. There is no amount of evidence that could convince him that he lost the argument.
He’s not unique. But he stands out because he’s a conservative. The liberal True Believers on this board tend to blend in with larger crowd.
I dunno - I don’t see anyone else on either side giving something so near to the full Argument Clinic treatment.
I don’t know about that - in that same thread I posted a cite from an article in Chicago magazine and got this from elucidator:
Now, this seems a bit like a message board equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears. And while he didn’t press the point, and I didn’t either, it sure struck me as strange.
My question, which you find so “strange” is rather simple. Who is this fellow, and how is he empowered to declare who is, or is not, a “surrogate” for Obama. Given the almost instantaneous rejection by the Obamistas, I suggest that, perhaps, he is not so empowered.
You didn’t answer me there, but somehow felt this was precisely the correct moment to bring it up, in an entirely unrelated thread about another person altogether.
Well, OK, since you insist: what are his credentials in determining surrogate status? And if he has none, then my question is perfectly valid, don’t you agree? If you think you can pee on my shoes and tell me its raining, you gotta ‘nother think comin’.
And as far as “not pressing the point”, bullshit! If you could have answered, you would have. I made my point, you didn’t answer, what should I press when the other guy folds?
Kerry, not Obama. In the thread, Dio said that the only one who brought up Kerry’s medals in the 2004 campaign were the swiftboaters. Mr. Moto said the Kerry campaign did, in Max Cleland’s speech introducing Kerry at the convention. The conversation wasn’t about Obama.
You’re right. Apologies where due. I suppose he figured that there is some equivalence between me and Shodan. Which reminds me, I need another shower.
Aw, shucks. You shouldn’t have. :o
Seriously, that may be the most dead-on thing I’ve seen in ages. It does seem that many members of our tribe think politics consists solely of morality. Makes you wonder how we’ve kept the wheels on this scooter for 220 years.