And as I linked, they aren’t forthcoming about details due to privacy matters (which is understandable) so we might not ever learn all of the answers.
Which is okay with me, because this really isn’t a big deal. The only people who’ve made it a big deal are transphobes wanting to turn it into a major crisis.
The only reason I even tried to dig up info is for this thread. Otherwise, I don’t care very much.
Not really. You’ve said things like “It’s all verified”, without specifying what “it” is, when some parts of “it” have been clearly refuted. And you haven’t provided exact quotes from any of those verifications, and the details of those quotes might matter.
I quite clearly started what (very limited) specific items I had successfully verified - that the photographs and video are authentically of a shop teacher at Oakville Trafalgar High School who identifies as a trans woman. Feel free to re-read the thread. The post is back there - post 280, among a few others. I’m sorry but that’s all I know for sure.
Nothing I have successfully confirmed has been refuted.
Sorry… yes, it’s the local community paper (with the most Canadian newspaper name you can imagine.) It’s not a daily. I think it comes out twice a week.
Oakville is a reasonably large city - 200,000 people - but it’s a suburban city to Toronto, so Toronto dailies are the really big news sources.
That’s cagey.
I don’t know what’s in the teacher’s mind. What’s cagey about that?
That’s disingenuous as fuck.
What is disingenuous about me saying I don’t know something?
We are at the point of
Not playing your “what, poor lil ol me?” games.
I’m not going to speculate or say things I don’t know. I said I’d confirm some facts and I did. If you want me to throw out wild ass guesses, repeat rumours, or make things up, you’ll have to cope with disappointment.
The reporting on this story has been exceptional thin. I haven’t seen any interviews or even statements from the teacher or any of her students, or from school administration aside from one generic statement (as well as the other statement clearing fellow teacher Steven Hannah of any involvement.).
We don’t know how often the teacher wore that outfit or if she’s still wearing it. We don’t know if the school administration had any private discussions with the teacher, and if they did, we don’t know the outcome of those conversations. I haven’t read anything about Ms. Lemeuix, nothing about her background, her recent or distant history, no interviews or statements from people that know her, nothing that gives me any insight into the kind of person she is.
In the absence of any further information, I’m giving Ms. Lemeuix the benefit of the doubt, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have doubts. And I find the paucity of information a tad suspicious, because sometimes right-wing news outlets keep the story thin because the details would change the framing of the story in a way that works against their narrative.
I can accept that @RickJay is just trying to add some information. Fact remains that the information he offers is second hand “I know someone who says they know something or someone, who thinks …” @RickJay I hope you can accept that the maxim of “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” applies here. Your report of someone who says they know … something but unclear what … and the reporting to date … are very weak evidence against a very extraordinary claim that this is a transwoman doing this as gender expression.
@chela - let’s go with the hypothetical that the article was completely accurate in all aspects, this is a transwoman who is doing this as gender expression. Who and what are you pitting and to what purpose?
I hope you are not trying to generate a believe that this isolated case, if somehow it was accurately portrayed, is what trans people are in general and that therefore trans people are a risk to children.
Maybe you are pitting the school board for not publicly disciplining the behavior? That would be a silly thing to do in the absence of more of the story as releasing information about the individual, troll or transwoman, mentally disturbed or not, would be VERY inappropriate for the board to do. We have NO IDEA what conversations have occurred between the teacher and the board, but troll or transwoman I believe the teacher’s information is not theirs to share without consent. It is possible they wrote a guideline without thinking that someone would do something like this and are stuck with the rule until it can be modified. We have no idea.
It is very hard for me to imagine any motivation for this thread that is not transphobic honestly. Can you please explain what the not transphobic motivation might possibly be?
…today, in things that are happening to transgender folk that are of much greater significance than the subject of this thread:
How does that “tar and feather” thing work again?
Horrible, although I do have reasonable hope that the lawsuit against the law will prevail.
Still the subject of this thread - which me is not the individual wearing the prosthetics, or the school board, but the tactic illustrated by the article of the OP of finding something that appears disturbing putatively done by a member of a targeted minority, and using it to make the whole group seem scary to those with limited personal experience with group members - is part of how this hate gets spread.
Fighting that tactic is important I think.
In a nutshell a person in authority, a teacher, is coming to school dressed in a provocative outfit that imo is highly inappropriate.
She is doing it without regard to the reactions that it may elicit and potential discomfort to the student body who are faced with the perplexing questions of the appropriateness of an over exaggerated breast prosthetic worn by a teacher.
That she is teaching a skills building course and not modeling best practices, dressing for the job inappropriately makes me wonder what her motivations are? To teach or to draw attention to herself.
So, you are putting a random stranger, knowing only that she dressed weirdly at least once and showed up at a high school class she teaches at least once, without having any insight into why she did that, whether she’s still doing that, whether there have already been consequences, etc.
Dull life you lead, that this is so exciting.
If those are the only two possibilities you think exist after all this, then why not both? Teachers teach and part of that is getting people to pay attention to them. My grade school science teacher would come in once a year, every year (for the same lesson) in a wedding dress, using a weird voice and playing a bizarre character. And you know what? Literally 30 years later I still remember exactly what she taught us that day and still regularly refer back to the mnemonic device we learned that day. It is absolutely burned into my brain.
Perhaps this teacher dressed in this way as a lesson on “how not to dress and behave in the shop.” It may have nothing to do with gender expression. We simply don’t know.
I don’t believe that what @RickJay has said is extraordinary. He said
As told to him personally by an employee of the school district where this happened, which is also the place where RickJay lives himself.
I’d also like to throw this out there, again, HDSB comment In clarifying “misinformation” they admit, point blank, that the photos are of “a teacher” who was misidentified as Mr. Hanna, who is an entirely different teacher.
If the photos were not of a district teacher, in a district shop class, teaching district students THAT IS WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE CORRECTED, not just the misidentification.
His “recently transitioned” comment is rather undercut by his repeated cautions that we shouldn’t second-guess whether someone’s transition is genuine, and his refusal to explain what the teacher’s colleague believes is happening. Given Rick’s previous transphobic comments on the board, his caginess is 100% consistent with a story in which the teacher is a transphobic troll.
So no: I don’t take “recently transitioned” as trustworthy comning from him.