Way to bait a hook with an old, dead worm, Badtz. Maybe you should seek attention from a therapist rather than a message board. :rolleyes:
Actually, forget that I put a “rolleyes” smilie in there. I didn’t realize it had a little smirk on it and I most certainly don’t find the OP amusing in any way, nor do I find it worthy of debate.
man, since when did the SD clientele get so damn catty?? Badtz, point well made, but time to let it go. It’s not worth it.
Reeee-oowww!
jb
I would suggest you and the OP take a trip to some predominantly black neighborhood and tell this joke to the first group of black men you see. Now THAT would be funny.
::watching Badtz Maru bait the hook, cast the line and laugh maniacally ::
[sub]nice shot by the way[/sub]
That would take intelligence and, you know, effort.
Since when does it take intelligence to make or accept outrageously racist statements, even those made in “jest” (or more likely, to get a reaction)? Is there some kind of college course I can take to teach me when it’s ok to “poke fun” at minorities? One of the real scary thing about racism is that some people allow it to creep into their senses of humor and think it’s ok to say awful things because they’re “just kidding.” It’s just an easy way to get an instant reaction, it’s shooting fish in a barrel, really. Hey, it worked on me. I tried to ignore it, but I guess I didn’t try hard enough.
No, actually, it’s not a point well made, because the comparison is moronic. Which pretty much leaves me thinking “How nice that when Badtz Maru wants to make a dog-human analogy, the first thing to come to his mind is Black people.”
I’ll repeat what I said in the other thread- you cannot compare how we treat animals to how we treat humans in this manner. We already discriminate between different species of animals (dogs get killed when they are guilty of hurting humans, cows get killed whether they are innocent or guilty) so where are you going with this? It’s only wrong when we do it to dogs?
If you insist on drawing ethical comparisons between humans and animals, here is the analogy you are looking for:
There is a race of Blue people. Another race of people, the Orange people, are raised by the Blue people in pens and slaughtered because the Blue people like to eat them. One day, a Blue person suggests that we sterilize all the Green people with sharp teeth, because some of them hurt Blue people sometimes. Not all the Green people, mind you, just the ones with sharp teeth.
Some of the Blue people (most of whom enjoy a good Orange steak) are livid at the idea that the Blue person would consider treating Green people that way. It’s inhuman!
Does that help you see how stupid your analogy is?
You can’t make the ethical analogy that eliminating certain breeds of dogs is racist without implicating our treatment of tons of other species. If you’re not willing to address this, your argument has no meaning, because ethically, there is no difference between dogs and cows.
Ethically there is a difference between people and animals, which is another reason the analogy is stupid- there is no race of humans we kill for food.
We are already the neo-nazis of the animal kingdom, everyone except the vegans. Your self-rightousness is seriously clashing with your ignorance here.
You and Oldscratch have the nerve, is all I can say, to keep making this analogy. You’re just being disrespectful.
-fh
Well, I didn’t know about the dog debate, so I started out thinking this was just a very off-center post. Probably trolling, probably not really serious–but it did freak me out a little bit.
Badtz, If you just wanna troll, that’s one thing. If you want to make it clear that you’re drawing an analogy, maybe you need a better introductory line?
Now, hazel-rah:
No, meat-eaters aren’t nazis. There’s a HUGE difference between slaughtering individuals of a race/strain/species/breed for food, and trying to exterminate an entire race/strain/species/breed.
But that’s another thread.
Anyway, I would find the suggestion that people eat Pit Bulls a lot less offensive than trying to exterminate the breed.
Since you’re wondering, yes, I think sacrificing the odd human child to the wolves would be less offensive than exterminating a race of humans–or a breed of wolves/dogs. (Are dogs a breed of wolves, or wolves a breed of dogs? No, don’t answer that, please.)
Why? The principle is as follows:
To kill an individual is to hasten an inevitable death. To kill a race (or breed) is prevent any individual of that type from ever again existing.
What if it was your child?
Would sacrifice your own child to save a breed of dog?
If it was my child, say bye-bye to the poodle.
Ah fuck it, I thought it was funny, Badtz.
Personally, I agree with you, since it’s not a comparsion I would make lightly. But if you want to make a comparison between people who support eliminating Pit Bulls and neo-nazis stick, like oldscratch, then yes, meat-eaters have to be nazis too.
Ethically, what is the difference?
Why?
-fh
Must . . . control . . . self . . .
Nope, I can’t.
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*Originally posted by hazel-rah *
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Lemme guess, you’re a vegan, right? Great.
This has NOTHING to do with vegetarianism. Nothing. At all. Not even a little bit. (BTW, I’m willing to bet that if a cow were bred that did not produce delicious by-products, I’m quite sure it would be eliminated.)
That’s one of the most offensive, sweeping, narrow minded, baseless statements I’ve heard since… well the OP actually, but at least Badtz was obviously joking.
Hazel, if
- you have no idea of the number of avoidable animal deaths vegans are responsible for or
- you can’t distinguish between animal and human life or,
- you can’t understand the ethical difference between destroying an animal in your own time for your own reasons, and denying future generations the opportunity to inherit the species
then I suggest you do some serious self examination and couple it with at least a little research.
Hell start another GD thread, it’s all been done before but I’ll be happy to come to the party.
If you do understand these things then please tone down your language, your badly controlled aggression is showing.
I guess the appropriate response to that whole post, in keeping with the tone of this thread is -
Listen mate, if God hadn’t wanted us to eat animals he wouldn’t have made them out of meat.
Two words, Idi Amin.
Read down to the part about 300k to 500k killed by his regime.
Interesting Badtz Maru and kinda funny. Though I do agree that it would have been more apropriate somewhere else, where I don’t know.
So how are neo-nazis, racists, and advocates of dog banning similar? They all take a cursory look at statistics, that in truth mean nothing, use those statistics to come up with idiotic plans, and then refuse to listen to facts.
If you look at it on the surface, yes black people in america are more dangerous, so are pit bulls. In truth both judgements are bullshit.
and for those of you accusing him of racism, whoa man, slow down.
Nope. Irrelevant anyway.
Then why did you bring it up?
So get mad at Badtz Maru, not me… I just provided you a logical extension of his analogy that was meant to illustrate how silly it was. I happen to feel exactly the same way about the OP.
Maybe we should all be careful to attack arguments and not the people posting?
Look, guys, this has nothing much to do with whether or not vegans are stupid or crazy or whatever. That was not the point of my original post in this thread, and I never would have said that if I’d known how defensive you’d get when someone said the V-word. So if it’s too distracting, nix my comment about vegans and neo-nazis in my original post to this thread and concentrate on the rest of it, or the meat of it, if you will…
Here is a recap:
IF advocates of the position that we should eliminate the Pit Bull breed are comparable to neo-nazis or racists, then any advocates of the position that we should kill cows because we like to eat them are also neo-nazis and racists. I personally think both statements are silly. But you can’t say one without the other being true.
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I would like to calmly point hazel-rah in the direction of my post, directly above his.
Economists do that too, it doesn’t make the comparison meaningful or relevant. Got anything else?
-fh
please do tell. If i compare the anti-dog activists to Economist, Frank Fucker, who also uses misleading statistics and uses to call for the elimination of all the rain forests, and uses inflamitory language and refuses to listen to reason or explanations for statistics, how is that not meaningful or relevant.