Should America Celebrate Columbus Day?

Columbus Day in the United States is upon us. In recent years, many have accused the holiday’s existence of being insensitive to indigenous people’s right and plight.

Some try to cite the brutality of Columbian rule to discredit the fact that Columbus DID effectively discover the Western Hemisphere. It’s been claimed the Vikings did or that the Chinese did, when in reality, the Vikings only discovered Greenland, not part of North America, and the veracity of them at Newfoundland is questioned. The Chinese discovered the Russian far East, not the New World.

But to make out Columbus as being the first example of “brutal, racist Western Imperialism” is a big oversimplification and a great example of self-hating political correctness.

Fact is that 524 years ago, all empires, be it Spanish, English, Chinese, Khanate, the Caliphate, the Mughals, various African empires, or even the Mayan, Incas, white or black, globally northern or southern, practiced racism, slavery, religious discrimination, and dictatorship/monarchy. Human rights were unheard of in any of those places, by either today’s standards those of 100 or 200 years ago. In fact, back in 1492, the Caliphate’s was by far the largest and most extensive. The Caliphate practiced slavery until the 20th century.

By advocating for the end of Columbus Day as a means to an end, progressives make progressivism look like a joke and drive out moderates and non-ideologues from the center-left. Without Columbus to establish the first permanent settlements in the New World, we would not be here. There would have been no major civilization to establish itself outside the orbit of Eurasian.

The Western Hemisphere has generally been more liberal and tolerant than the Eastern Hemisphere. Even for the two decades more it took for slavery to be formally abolished in the US, it was the European powers that imported the slaves here in the first place. Modern representative democratic ideals began here, as did various human rights movements. America had a grassroots abolitionist movement and fought a Civil War to abolish it; European monarchs crowed at them to do so, and instead, they moved their operations to colonizing whole continents. They had pogroms, genocides all over the place even before the Nazis; minorities like the Jews did not face the same fate in this corner of the globe.

Indigenous societies had it rough here, but how did they have it elsewhere? How about the native Siberians? Or Tibetans and non-Han groups of the Far East? The Mfecane vs. the Zulu Kingdom? The pre-Islamic Egyptians (the members of the group who look sub-Sarahan; Anwar Sadat, who looked black, got called racial slurs by his own people and other Arabs and Muslims, you know.)

Also, don’t ever compare what happened with the aboriginals with The Holocaust; a considerable portion of the aboriginals died from the diseases brought from far away lands, and the near total decline of them was not itself a goal, nor was there an industrial plan to make it happen. It did not happen in 4 years either. Plus, sad to say, the Native Americans WERE primitive.

The right has a tendency to deify, the left at times has a tendency to purify. Both are wrong.

Without Christopher Columbus, the advances made by civilization’s westward move to a land free of the orbit of constantly warring Eurasian would not have occurred. Yet the brutality that existed before it would still have existed, likely without a counter that was developed largely in this part of the world.
And quite frankly, that this debate has even extended past ultra-leftist campuses into the minds of more mainstream liberals is in part how I went from progressive as I was 8 years ago to now being slightly right-of-center, I guess.

We actually don’t, here. Instead, it’s Indigenous People’s Day.

in a few cities and like 8% of states, true, but in the rest, Americans celebrate Columbus Day. He’s a hero.

You’re dickering over whether it was Columbus or somebody else who first discovered land that other people were already living on?

Do you really believe that? He gave ten-year-old indigenous children to his men to be rape toys. Columbus did many things that, even in his time, would have been widely recognized as morally reprehensible had they been widely known.

He was very influential, but we can reasonably judge him as a monster even in his time.

Wait – so if Christopher Columbus had experienced an unfortunate accident at a young age and never made his voyage, the Western Hemisphere would still be essentially undeveloped today?

Are you fucking kidding me?

And stating that Columbus (or any non-indigenous group) “discovered” the Americas is Euro-centric and discounts the existence and humanity of the indigenous groups. The only people who discovered the Americas were the first humans who crossed the Bering land bridge 15,000 years ago or so.

Yeah, pretty sure the Native Americans discovered the place…and successfully colonized it. At least twice actually, since I think the Clovis culture was wiped out at one point but then it was rediscovered and recolonized again.

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I don’t think he’s quite the hero he used to be in the US. I can’t speak for all Americans, but I think it’s more widely known than you think some of the stuff he did to the native peoples. He is certainly not a big hero here in the South West.

Home Alone was kind of amusing, but there are other directors who are far more worthy of celebrating.

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As long as you don’t say he was the first to discover America, I don’t mind saying he discovered it.

What Americans Kemosabe? :slight_smile:

In many countries of North America and South America the day is either about the indigenous people or to make the point that the discovery was for all and thanks to the mixing of different ethnicities it showed that we were still the human race, hence the “day of la raza”.

http://gosouthamerica.about.com/cs/southamerica/a/CulDiaRaza.htm

Most Americans do not celebrate Columbus Day.
Some Americans, however, celebrate Columbus Day sales.

Columbus Day? Vespucci Day (after Amerigo Vespucci) would be more appropriate.

Is there any country in the world, with the possible exception of Germany, where people are now expected to be ashamed of and repudiate their past more than the United States?

I’ll pick my own heroes, thank you.

Are you saying that accurate descriptions of historical events constitute shame and repudiation?

What would possibly be lost if we didn’t have Columbus Day as a holiday?

Keep the day and you have some legitimate controversy. Get rid of it and no one gives a shit. Seems like an easy choice. Or do you suppose there will be people mourning the loss of something special? (If it were up to me, you could get rid of Grandparents day and Christmas while you’re at it.)

Well, the thing is that Columbus did indeed resort to genocide. And it was not just because of the germs they brought from Europe. And as pointed before: Columbus never set foot in the USA.

Most Americans couldn’t tell you what day Columbus Day falls on.
Hell, most Americans couldn’t even tell you what month it falls on.

Pretty much any colonial power? It’s only the concept of American Exceptionalism that seems to get in the way of us acknowledging the past. I doubt there’s a huge cohort of people in South Africa trying to pretend that apartheid wasn’t that bad.

And as has been mentioned, Columbus doesn’t really have anything to do with “our” past. The only reason he’s a household name is the ditty we all sang in elementary school and a holiday that was ramrodded through congress by a bunch of Catholics who couldn’t come up with a better role model.