:rolleyes:
No. Bush admits responsability, does not win in November (or better yet, bows out accepting personal responsability for his mismanagment, makes whatever restitution he and his cronies can pony up). Tax cuts/spending programs that were his pets are recinded.
We’ll still be left w/a substantial mess, but at least:
chance that some planning will be done, and done correctly.
IMHO, as long as those responsible for the mess are still “in charge”, insurgents etc have no reason to believe that their situation will be improved. Prosecution of a few prison guards will not remove, for example, the stain on our reputation from Abu Graves.
there may be an end eventually to the mess. As long as the Bush administration refuses to concede that they fucked up big time, and things are getting worse there, there is no chance to solve the problem. One must acknowledge there is a problem before one can attempt to solve it.
Whether you’re referring to the monstrosity that was installed on 28Jun04, or to Paul Bremer’s interim regency, neither one meets the requirement I posited of the USA not calling the tune, for all that we are paying the piper.
As I said, we’re going to have to get on our knees and eat some shit and open our checkbook. Whoever gets installed, the installing cannot be perceived by Abdul Sixpack as being done by the U.S.
In hope of expediting things, the first thing we should do is pull the kid gloves off. They should have killed Sadr when the first rolled in, and anyone else for that matter. It sounds bad, but in avoiding killing Sadr, more people died. This lovey dovey warfare don’t work, stomp them, and stomp them fast. Then we need to look for the first half-assed exit that presents itself, and pull the hell out of the country, forget the Iraqis. I know it sounds insane, but once we’re out of there, perhaps they’ll focus on their inevitable civil war and forget about us.
I think it’s because they have they have those incorrect post times on them. It looks like it’s taking the real times a while to catch up with the erroneous times.
It’s like a bunch of people posted from the future and the board hasn’t gotten there yet. but I think that once the real time gets past those post times the board will sort itself out again. We’ll just have some freaky out of order posts.
It is kind of funny reading some of the threads to see the angry responses to insults come up before the insults.
Thanks, we need to hear possible solutions. That is a brave post. I’m not agreeing though, because I think the US owes the Iraqis their best chance at peace and stability which they once had but America took away from them.
I will be the first to admit that Kerry is a bumbling fool. I will point out that I feel it’s important to vote for someone other then Bush for the very impression it will make on the world. First off it says that we as a country don’t approve of what Bush has done, and that we made a mistake. Secondly Bush isn’t going to fix anything, he’s the very problem we need fix. The world will want to work with a new guy simply because he didn’t cause most of the problems we currently face. I think the world has an axe to grind with Bush and we’re better off with anyone except him.
Short of handing control of our nuclear arsenal to Ronald McDonald (who is probably less likely to do something silly with it than W), I don’t see how he could do worse.
Of course, you’ll never know that, because this post will probably appear as the new OP.
I am posting from the future. Just one of those weird nights when that sort of thing can happen at the Dope.
Kerry won my a narrow margin because some people who had planned to vote for Bush realized that he really didn’t make good decisions.
The lights are on in Iraq. The elections were successful. Civil war has been avoided. Oil is flowing freely. Halliburton has been replaced by a smaller, more efficient company that does not require four star hotel accomodations.
Grienspace survived his traumatic brush with Frank Burns Syndrome and returned to full health.
Grienspace, removing a murderous dictator but replacing him with terrorism, insurgency, and death would make you grateful? Will your demands for gratitude be as strong once it’s revealed that the UK knew it would turn into a fuckup due to lack of US planning? That replacing Saddam would bring chaos?
Evidence in the form of leaked top-secret documents has emerged that the UK, and in particular Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, had severe doubts about the US’s abilities for reconstruction, but went ahead with the invasion anyway. (This is from the Daily Telegraph which, it should be noted, is one of the most conservative papers in the UK.)
They also reveal the inevitability of the war, despite Blair’s protestations to the contrary:
The leaked documents indicate that the UK was not convinced of any immediate threat from Saddam’s WMD:
They also back up Kofi Annan’s assertion about the illegality of the war:
This reinforces my belief that the PNAC and its followers, including Bush, were so convinced by their own bullshit about Iraqis handing flowers to troops in the streets that they neglected the important matter of nation building. And the Iraqi people and allied troops are bearing the cost of this short-sightedness on a daily, murderous, basis. I would find it difficult to be grateful in these circumstances too.
All I’m saying is that you seem like an intelligent person, who knows a lot about the Iraqi people. You should be out there in Iraq doing the good that you are preaching. You should be among the Iraqi civilians (who can’t even fucking protect their kids from repeted random kidnappings) conquering them, yourself. Not waiting for a dictator to do it. YOU should be out there oppressing them.
You want my solution, I would scan North America, Europe or Australia for those who supported this war (all those slimey greasy chicken hawks), and drop them in the middle of Iraq before the war started, just to let them get the full force of all the stages of chaos. I would put them in there, not as solders mind you, but as civilians. The poor ones, the weak ones, the ones who have to hide from the bombings, the ones who have to worry about their children, family, and EVERYONE THEY LOVE from being hurt/killed/traumatized from rebels, Americans, criminals, whatever.
My solution would be for them to suffer, and SUFFER, and SUFFER. Badly.
