Something else that should be condemned rather than minimized or waved away -
Cite.
Extremists eat their young. If a Bernie Sanders supporter isn’t extreme enough for these scum, they will wind up like the Black Panthers did back in the 60s.
Regards,
Shodan
Got a *credible *cite for us?
I wholeheartedly support this position.
That’s still a state. If it can enforce policy, it’s a state. You can hand-wave whatever you want, but I’m not going to redefine “state” to fit a political whim.
And none of this justifies arbitrary, mob violence anyway. You say you’re not majoritarian, but mob violence is the most majoritarian thing there is.
If they don’t want to be filmed, that is, in itself, damning. A mob which refuses to be surveilled is a mob with even fewer checks on its extremism.
Until somebody decides to be the local bully instead. Then what?
it contains a most disturbing sentence,
Anger following the demonstration has largely been directed at Portland police, whose use of “less-lethal” riot-control weapons on counter-protesters hospitalized at least three people and injured several others.
So who were these masked attackers? Actual anti-fascists, or party-crashers?
There seems little point in waiting for a police investigation to find them.
I was hoping it wouldn’t be waved away, but I guess that is too much to expect.
The problem with this is not merely that it is morally repugnant - it’s that, if the fringe Left tries violence, they are going to lose. The Right will oppose them, reasonable people on the Left will oppose them, and the vast middle will want there not to be violence in the streets.
Triggering a crackdown on violence in the streets is not likely to turn out well for the triggerers.
Regards,
Shodan
When your only cite is Fox, yes, it’s too much to expect it to be accepted.
How do you know who they are and what views they represent? You’re identifying people acting fascistically as being part of an anti-fascist alignment - does that small inconsistency bother you at all?
If the people fomenting violence are wearing blue uniforms, or are protected by those who do, yes, obviously.
Because the American Flag is. Glorious Sacred Symbol of everything that is Good and Right and Proper, and it and anyone bearing it should always be treated with deference and respect.
But the fringe right, they are ok and we should leave them be.
I think this attitude is the equivalent of an ostrich sticking its head in the sand, or perhaps a toddler covering his ears and saying “nah nah nah, I’m not listening to you”, but FWIW I did provide a cite from the Oregonian here.
Sorry, I don’t consider punching white supremacists or Nazis to be morally repugnant, so that argument won’t work on me.
I also don’t find it morally repugnant that Buzz Aldrin punched this guy in the face either.
What about cracking a Bernie Sanders supporter over the head for carrying a red, white, and blue “fascist symbol”? Is that morally repugnant to you? And whether or not you personally find it repugnant, how do you think mainstream America views it? ETA: do you think the viewpoint of mainstream America is something Antifa ought to take into consideration?
This “mainstream America” of which you speak? That would be you?
Sorry, I limit my lack of morale repugnance to white supremacists and Nazis getting punched. And that moon hoax guy.
Punching someone for carrying a US Flag is moronic, and should be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law.
I would hope that the viewpoint of mainstream America would be “White Supremacists and Nazis deserved to be punched every single time they appear in a place where punching can be done”
What % of your countrymen do you think would be appalled upon learning that Antifa beat a (non-Nazi) guy over the head for carrying the American flag, something the Antifa thugs called a “fascist symbol”? Personally, I suspect that percentage is quite high, and it’s that high percentage of our countrymen that I referred to as “mainstream America”, but I’m on the edge of my seat waiting for your answer: What % of your countrymen do you think are appalled by this?
I’ve got some bad news for you. The ACLU and a lot of Americans disagree.
Thing is, mainstream America mostly does not view it. I personally have not been attacked, or even threatened, by Antifa nor by nazis. I have never been in the vicinity of one of these events, and I am not acquainted with anyone who has. They make amusing news stories, but, other than that one lass who was killed by the crazy guy in the car, it is basically just some scuffling.
Pretty easy for 99% of people to not get tangled up in and 80~90% of people to not know/care about.
Which is to say that there are no innocent victims. The people who get hurt are the ones who show up at these events on purpose. No one expects to get hurt, but then, no one expects that car to cross the centerline on a remote highway killing you and your six passengers.
Yes, there are obnoxious or dangerous people who are ideologically similar to me. Does that mean I should reject that ideology, because of some bad seeds? If that is the case, where do you suggest I go where there are no bad seeds?
Well, there is always hope!
Besides, Captain America agrees with me. 
That’s because he’s working for Hydra.