The campaign hasn’t really started. Maybe there’s things Biden and Harris should be doing differently, but I don’t think anyone is really paying attention yet. It will actually matter after the conventions, or at the very least after there are presumptive nominees in each party.
Don’t do this. They are not asking black people what we think about immigration, it’s not a choice in a poll. Thats the point, it’s just assumed that black and brown is the same. It’s not for younger black people. It’s not happy kumbaya and hasn’t been for years. Like I said in another post look at those LA council members. Thats what young black people fear.
The poll numbers are down for Biden because of his age, yes, but his age is informing his policy on immigration. It’s one in the same.
This is the part that people are pushing back on, because it’s just your word/opinion.
Personally, I’m not actually saying you’re wrong. I mean, it seems plausible to me. But not everyone is going to buy it without something to back it up.
Ok, that’s fair and I don’t really expect people to understand the nuances. And I can’t point to any poll that directly says black people aren’t voting for Biden because of immigration policy.
The polls are showing that the black vote for Biden/Harris is weak, and you have no answer on how to beef it up. I do.
Biden should get rid of Harris, she will not gain any votes in this election. He is still running by the old rules, thinking he has to keep the VP, hand it down to her. Harris was always weak, so he needs to change it up because he is old, but that’s not really the problem because Trump is just as old.
He needs to forget about the boomers that voted for him in the last election. If he continues this track of catering to them as they are losing influence, he and Harris will lose.
Umm, if they would vote for him if his immigration policies were different then, by definition, his age and his policy on immigration are not one in the same.
I think the argument amounts to
Biden is factually old. Most of us agree most old people are stuck in their ways. Biden’s immigration policy was IMO suitable for WAG 40 years ago, but sucks now. And because Biden is old, therefore he won’t change it. So any talk about different imigration policy is a red herring. It simply won’t happen.
Therefore I don’t like Biden. Due to immigration policy that is unchangeably linked to his age. And since the only answer on the poll question that fits my immigration-based complaint is “too old”, that’s the box I’m checking.
You are not being clever here. The point is he is not changing his policy on immigration because he can’t or won’t see how younger black people’s opinion on the matter is different from the boomers.
Because of his age.
That’s it yes, and I know you think your slamming me, but you’re not. This is what 30 something and younger black people are thinking for the most part. They see no real difference between Biden and Trump except that the government is helping the immigrants and Trump wants to stop it.
You forgot reparations though.
Which, as far as I’ve seen you’ve only supported with,
If it’s “all over new black media” maybe you’d be so kind as to provide a citation for that assertion?
I’m not going to do that here because they are of course not trusted sites. I’m more giving an explanation for all the polls on trusted news sites of why the black vote is polling lower for Biden/Harris.
The old boomers are still with them but it’s no longer enough to win.
So good to know that those 30 something and younger black people don’t seem to be aware of the Central Park Five.
“History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake…”
Are you as confident of this as you were that Trump would win in 2020?
They know about that and like I said I’m not saying they are going to vote for Trump. Most like they will sit it out, which is a defacto vote for Trump.
The old boomers will not be enough for Biden/Hariss to win.
I was wrong then, and I’m glad for that. But really, he just barely lost, even after totally messing up the pandemic and showing he was totally inept at running anything let alone the country. And that was won off the backs of boomers, many are no longer with us.
No I was not slamming you. I was trying to lay out all the intermediate steps you’d left out of the explanation. But I didn’t want to be accused of stuffing words in your mouth if I got it wrong, so I equivocated that maybe I understand you correctly. Turns out I did.
Going a little deeper, I think it amounts to something close to
Biden is a white Boomer and his “customers” are white boomers. His policies will always be white boomer policies. That leopard can’t change his spots, and especially this late in his career.
Used to be black people of any age would take Democratic white boomer polices over Republican white boomer policies. Both bad, but one clearly worse than the other. And the Democrats knew that and lazily came to expect it for free.
Now however, the more youthful black vote has run out of patience with white boomer policies. Maybe sorta like the impatient Bernie bros who arguably put trump in the White House by boycotting Hillary.
Now the Ds need to get serious about courting the black youth and middle-aged vote or it just won’t be there in 2024. By those standards Biden is close to hopeless and Harris is tone-deaf tokenism. The Ds need to shape up, or die in 2024 from low to non-existent black turnout.
Is that close to the right idea?
Overall it sounds real reasonable to me. Reasonableness is not proof of reailty, but it sounds like a darn good argument overall. Certainly the more lefty of the current white Ds are making similar noises; "“We need Radical Progressivism now; it’s the Only Way to Win!!1!”.
You should have learned from that guess that wise people shouldn’t take election predictions from random internet people seriously. This is a wild guess, and I see no reason to take it any more seriously than a million other wild guesses on the internet.
Yes perfect I can’t express my thoughts like that while typing.
We’ve done this here before. That didn’t happen that way.
It is a Clintonista meme to deflect from why she lost. There is no evidence that “Bernie Bros” cost her the election.
Carry on.
Moderating:
Do not re-litigate this discussion in this thread.
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