Should Congress Outlaw the "Big Bang" Theory?

gobear: You stand inside a large room. Two-thirds of the floor is occupied by what (Super)String Theory will become when it is done. A third of the floor, (almost) all inside the area of the 2/3rds, is occupied by a conglomerate of the various Theories making up what is, today, called “(Super)String Theory”. Some big splotches, made by high school juniors (randomly) throwing buckets of South Florida muck/ooze on the floor, (generally in the direction of the 2/3rds), comprises the “Big Blurp Theory” promoted by certain not-to-be-named Newtonian-chair-sitting “Cosmologists”.

SEE!! I do too know what a theory is, and how to catagorize them! Ha!

gobear and Kimstu…looks like I doubleposted with you. :slight_smile:

I figured that would happen when I took so long to type my replies.

Ho-kay, I don’t have a clue what you’re talking about here, and I’m sure you don’t either. Please define Big Bang theory, superstring theory, and ‘Newtonian-chair-sitting “cosmologists”.’

“The Empty Reply is (properly) contained in all other replies.” This is a Truth.

Sea Sorbust, what do you think is the correct explanation of the origin of the universe? After all, if we’re going to ban the Big Bang theory, we need to have a better theory to put in its place, right?

Or do you simply feel that scientists should be barred from studying the question of the origin of the universe at all? How about the early history of the universe after the first three minutes, with the formation of nuclei? Star formation? Birth of our own solar system? Where’s your cutoff point in the history of the universe for deciding which time period is sufficiently “meaningful and matterful” to be a valid object of scientific study?

I think you’ve had enough already, pally.

It’s obvious that you have no idea what you’re talking about. You have no knowledge whatsoever of cosmology, astronomy, or astrophysics. You cannot explain the Big Bang Theory, except that you think it’s wrong. (Ya know what? A lot of other people think it’s incorrect also. The difference? They all understand it and its limitations. You do not.) You further cannot explain what the various string hypotheses are, or what they explain.

In addition to all that, you clearly have no understanding of basic science.

Which means that you are posting only to cause a stir. That, my friend, is called “trolling.” And it’s worthy of no one beyond 8th grade.

Thank you. Come again.

Sea,

Put your feet on the ground, pull your head from the sand, and try, oh please try, to make just little sense. You might actually have something to say, but, whatever it is, it is getting lost in your incoherent ramblings.

You’re jealous of my post count, aren’t you?

Aren’t we all, Jab? :smiley:

Yes, we are, and that’s why I’m feeding the troll, who seems to have missed kind of an important point: string theory (assuming that it will ever be shown to be correct, which is not an assumption I’m willing to make) would have to subsume the Big Bang anyhow.

In other words, BBT correctly predicts and explains a great deal of what is observed (although we rather need inflation to be tossed into the mix, and as of yet inflation is more of a story than a finished theory), so we’re not going to just get rid of it. What will happen is that when we look at the right part of whatever final theory of everything we end up with, we’ll have the Big Bang pop out of it. Studying cosmology is studying the theory of everything, just in one particular limit. Just like relativity contains Newton, just like quantum field theory contains quantum mechanics which in turn also contains Newton, a TOE will contain the totality of physics that has come before it, and if it doesn’t, then we’ll reject is as wrong.

This may be a little off topic, but I will try and tie it in with the originall post.
The question has been presented by the OP’er of who could doubt the theory of evolution. I can say that there are atleast three people I have met while at school who not only doubt but are able to argue the reasons behind their doubt very effectively.
Because you do not believe in the big bang theory does not mean that it should be banned, or outlawed as you have described it. Rather you could learn about both theories you presented and work towards convincing others that you pet theory is correct. Mind you, this is not just saying something is true because you believe it. rather it must meet the requirements of those you are trying to convince. Peer review existing for this purpose from what I understand.
You make the claim that the big bang theory is a hoax then claim that you refuse to learn anything about it. I would mentin that this seems like a bad way to try and sway the opinions of those that post on this board. You come off as a troll and well people tune out trolls even when they are right.

I just have to say, Sea Sorbust, that with your incessant usage of italics, boldfacing, super/subscripting, all-caps, and various combinations thereof, that your messages bear a certain cosmetic resemblance to 19th-century snake-oil advertisements.

Rather appropriate, I think.

I do really like the idea of legislating scientific progress based on what the answers are going to be. Wait, since sea soburst already knows what the answers are going to be, why don’t we just let him/her take the place of the scientists?

Just out of curiosity, what scientific theories became accepted as fact due to anything other than scientists studying the previous theories? As far as I know, none, ever.

It wasn’t government prohibition of funding for research into the lumeniferous ether that led to special relativity. As a matter of fact, Michaelson and Morley were specifically trying to study the ether and prove its existence when they stumbled on the fact that it doesn’t exist. To try to explain their results away, the Lorenz transformations were derived. Relativity won out later on because it was shown to be superior to the ether hypothesis. The government didn’t simply decide that one was more important than the other.

Really, the idea of government deciding for science that the Big Bang theory is incorrect is simply appaling to me on many levels. It is an idea that seeks to promote willful ignorance over the quest for knowledge. Basically, it is diametrically opposed to everything that this message board stands for.

Just came from the “Best Comedies” thread on Cafe Society. I’ll have to go back and nominate this thread. Sea you obviously have NO idea what you’re talking about, and haven’t bothered to learn anything about the connection between String Theory and the Big Bang (yes, there is one). And you other folks, one question - why bother?

To waterj2: Until very recent times, legislating scientific research was the norm, not the exception. I’m not talking about NSF kinds of “legislation” but as in “You, scientist. I’ll feed, clothe, and (maybe) even pay you if you solve this problem for me.” (As in, for example: “Is this the real, solid gold that I provided or has it been debased?”)


To g8rguy: Although you were merely “feeding a troll” (and, I suppose, making your post-count go bump), do you have a link to something on “inflation”? (I can, and am willing, to read–to include any math.)


To everyone else: I felt that there were several very serious aspects to the question I posed. No one else, however, seems to see anything serious in at all; just an opportunity to have fun at someone else’s expense.

"Tell us, oh great oracle, about our covetted “Big Barrooom Theory”, you say. “Give us your version of (Super)String Theory”, you say, “so that we can poke yet more fun at your ignorance.” I say as follows**:**

While you [“ustedes”] were making fun of my very earliest posts on this Board (defending F. Hoyle, who had recently died), the subject of something called “Death Stars” came up. The “BadAstronomer” commented that the fun-makers were too late; that Mimas, a moon of Saturn, was the first “Death Star”. I, in good faith, risking my psyche, asked “What is a ‘Death Star’ and what do they have to do with Saturn’s Mimas?” There was no answering post from the fun-pokers.

I, in return, have no further posts on this very serious matter (the OP) but for one comment as follows**:**

From another thread in GD, the question arose: “Would we have won had the U.S. continued WW II against the U.S.S.R. with Gen. G. Patton in charge?” Zhukov was a better tactician than Patton; the Soviet troops were much more experienced than the Allied troops; and, most importantly, Zhukov had a free hand whereas Patton was ham-strung by both the political establishment and the press.

Sorry, Sea Sorbust, my attention was elsewhere when you asked this.

When the first pictures of Mimas came back from Voyager they showed that distinctive relatively-bigger-than-tycho crater on the side of Mimas. In fact, it was just about the same proportion as the Big Ugly Laser port on the Death Star in the first Star Wars movie. I believe that Time magazine even ran a picture of Mimas side-by-side with the Death Star.
(But it took Berkely Breathed in his comic strip Bloom County to point out the similarity between the Death Star and the telephone company logo.)
Any other questions?

So you’re never going to answer my question on how exactly your ban would be enacted? No specifics? Just a general statement with no thought behind it?

Figures.

http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Guth/Guth_contents.html

Yay google! First result for a google search on “cosmic inflation.” It’s fairly short on math for a good resason, but it gives a good overview of the ideas. And for what it’s worth, I’ve done some of the math for an inflationary model, and it’s hideously unfun.

Thank you, g8rguy, for the link. If you are acquainted with the author, I think that there is a missing minus sign in the third to last paragraph in the section titled Physics of the False Vacuum. (This is the link to the offending page.)

Sorry g8r! I very much did NOT mean to include the famous, (but badly placed), Quote in my signature :eek:.

Let me try this post again:

Thank you, g8rguy, for the link. If you are acquainted with the author, I think that there is a missing minus sign in the third to last paragraph in the section titled Physics of the False Vacuum. (Here is the link to the offending page.) :slight_smile: