Should I give this person negative feedback on eBay?

A few weeks ago I spotted an item that I had been seeking for a long time, and it was available at a good price. The seller listed it in a lot with eight other similar items, but was selling each individually.

In response to a question I e-mailed before the auction ended, he offered to sell it to me directly, outside eBay. Since this is a violation of the rules, and because I preferred to have the protection of eBay (FWIW), I declined and put in a bid. But it made me a little suspicious.

I was the second bidder, and won the auction, along with several others. I submitted my payment within moments of the end of the auction, and since the items were not all identical, I included a message specifying which item I wanted.

A week after the auction ended, I got this message:

I was peeved because I thought I had gone to some length to make it clear which item I wanted, and I felt I deserved priority as one of the first bidders. Also, he hadn’t set up the auction to avoid the possibility that many people would want the same item, and there’s reason to suspect that he may have made a deal outside eBay.

OTOH, he may be telling the truth, and his wife may have made an honest, if careless, mistake.

He further annoyed me by making me submit for the refund, rather than simply doing it himself, and once I did, he took more than two weeks to approve it.

I think he deserves negative feedback, for his sloppiness at least. But I’ve never left negative feedback, so I’m not sure if it’s appropriate in this case. I haven’t been ripped off, just treated shabbily.

What do you think?

To be pragmatic, how important is your personal feedback to you? Do you sell on eBay, or just buy? Because, by posting a negative to him, you are risking a retaliatory negative in response.

Personally, I would say he does deserve a negative for your transaction – the feedback system is supposed to serve as notice to future customers of the tyoe of seller they are dealing with. So, a negative with the statement "Sloppy record keeping and slow about getting me my refund.’ would be entirely appropriate, IMO. If you can risk a retalitory negative in your own feedback (if you have a very high feedback rating with no negatives or neutrals), then go ahead and slap him with a negative.

Also, take a closer look at his feedback – if he has a few negatives, and hasn’t responded to them with retaliatory negatives, then go ahead and give him what he deserves.

If it looks like he might turn back around and give you a negative, and you can’t risk that, then give him a neutral, with the same explanatory statement.

Jess nailed it.

This guy sounds like he deserves a negative feedback from you. However, it’s up to you if you want to actually risk it.

I’ve seen lots of people in Ebay leave negative feedback with the simple explination “he left me negative feedback”.

Thanks, guys.

I’m a fairly low-volume eBayer, mostly buying and only occasionally selling. I have 47 transactions, 100% positive. I value my rating, but my liveliehood doesn’t depend on it.

He has 25 transactions, also 100% positive. Although there is no feedback from any of the other people who participated in my auction, which I find interesting.

He couldn’t post anything factually negative about me. I did nothing wrong, was not even mildly rude in any messages.

I could probably weather a neg post, and reply with a good explanation. I’ll think it over.

Any other thoughts?

Of course give the feedback.

What good is feedback if it’s only for the very good and very bad vendors? That leaves out almost all the ones people want to know about.

“Retract your payment from PayPal???”

Like hell; as a seller, he has a one-button click on his PayPal account page to issue you a refund. Either he didn’t know that (incompetent), or he just wanted to borrow your money for a few weeks.

This person is clearly incompetent, and deserves a neg. Hell, he deserves to be reported to SafeHarbor for offering to sell items off the system.

  • Rodd Hill, who has worked damn hard for his 2845 feedback rating, with no negs.

I’m a bit unclear here, when he sent you the reply, did he mean that he did not have ANY of the 8 items being bid on, or just the one in particular you wanted?

If you were bidding on 1 of 8, and just didn’t get the exact one you wanted, I think that’s tough luck. I don’t see any reason why he should be required to segregate individual units of a lot on your whim. Assuming this is the case, I would think that it would be within his rights to just send you whichever unit he felt like and keep your money. Offering you the chance to back out is going above and beyond.

Except that he was selling each of the eight items individually. As in “bid on an item and if you’re in the top eight, pick the one you want.”

It’s a monumentally stupid method of selling and the seller is inviting negative feedback. Even absent the “buy it from me outside the auction” and the “oh, my wife sold it without telling me” and the failure to issue a refund, what would the guy have done if he had eight winners who all wanted the same item?

Nail the guy. He deserves it for any one of the three reasons noted above. With all three of them on the same auction, there’s no question.

Thanks for the comments.

j2browning: I wasn’t sure if this incident rises to the level of deserving negative feedback. Although the seller behaved like a jerk, in the end, I’m not harmed, just annoyed and disappointed. I didn’t know if maybe negatives should be reserved for real ripoffs.

Cheesesteak: Otto has it right. “Bid on an item and if you’re in the top eight, pick the one you want.” Think of the eight as different “flavors” of the same thing. There were two of the flavor I wanted, but the way the auction was set up, he could have gotten eight winners who all wanted my flavor. Since I was bidder number two, I thought I should have gotten one of the two of my flavor, regardless.

And it wasn’t as though he offered me a different flavor (which I wouldn’t have accepted). He just said sorry, you’re SOL.

If the consensus here is that the guy deserves a negative, I’ll probably go ahead and post it tomorrow. Still time for some further discussion, if there are any dissenting views.

BTW, I just won an auction for a brand new item in my flavor. $80 instead of the $50 I would have paid this guy, but his was used, and this price is still well below the original retail price. Apparently you can’t get them new in stores anymore. So I’m satisfied. (As long as this seller comes through!)

Offering items that you cannot supply is against the rules.

The auction you have described is a “choice” auction and the ebay rules state that the seller MUST be able to supply ALL of the items, even if EVERY bidder wants the SAME one.

This guys has circumvented the rules by listing this lot with choice. He has also circumvented the ebay fee structure. i. He lists one lot of 8 items rather than 8 items individually.

Ebay do not take lightly to people who circumvent their fees.

If you have received your money back then you should file a Non Performing Seller dispute. This is worse than a negative as 3 NPS reports and the sellers is suspended.

Include in the NPS dispute the fact that this was a choice auction and the item you chose was not available.

Would I neg him? If I haven’t lost any money, no. The NPS is a better route.

Thanks for the clarification, sure sounds negative to me.

Beware retaliatory feedback though; if he’s already left yours, then don’t worry; otherwise, you might want to wait and neg him a couple of hours before the deadline.

He needs to refund your PayPal payment; that’s just how it works; if you try to retract if from your end, it will cause everybody trouble and he probably won’t get his fees back. I do wonder though whether he’s saying that to stall you because perhaps he’s already drained the Paypal account and couldn’t refund you if he wanted to.

I accidentally almost screwed somebody over when I re-listed an Erector Set box (it had cool decals of a kid in knickers making the Ferris Wheel) that was at my Dad’s–I was selling it for him. However, after the first unsuccessful auction, my Dad had said “Oh, well” and thrown it out without bothering to tell me. Thank Gawd the super had said, “Ooooh, nice compartamentalized metal box!” and taken it to use for screws and other building things. I refunded the winning bidder a few bucks for any additional damage (decals were fine) without being asked and sent it out as soon as I got it back.

So, yes he was sloppy, but miscommunication does happen when there’s other people involved in the auction. The item listings seem confusing (and designed to maybe circumvent the rules) and maybe wifey was as confused as you are, and husband wasn’t around to ask.

That said, that PayPal thing wasn’t right at all. With both of them together, maybe a negative or a neutral.

I’m not familiar with eBay, or with the SDMB rules about eBay, but is there some reason you can’t tell us exactly what the item is? If there’s some kind of personal reason for not wanting to, that’s completely fine, but it sounds like you’re being very careful to avoid mentioning it by name, and you’ve gotten me curious.

  1. The item isn’t relevant to this discussion, and B) I was just thinking that if I described the item clearly enough, people here could go to eBay and figure out who he was and… well, I don’t know what you people might do out of righteous indignation on my behalf :D, but I thought it best to protect his (and my) privacy. I don’t know if there are rules here about this (and it’s too late at night for me to go look them up now), but it just seemed the right thing to do, no matter how much of a jerk he’s been.

To me this sounds like a neutral feedback type of offense. He was wrong…well he was wrong in a lot of things, but he didn’t actually cost you any money, and I think negatives should be reserved for people who do cost you money. Everything he did can be chalked up to inexperience and miscommunication, none of this seemed like he was being willfully negligent or actually trying to be an ass. A neutral feedback will function as a slap in the face.

I am saying this because you said he has a short ebay history. If this wasn’t the case, I wouldn’t be so inclined to say you should be generous with your feedback.

Depending on how pissed you personally are, I would possibly consider the NPS report though. File one of those and you help to insure he doesn’t screw with other bidders in the future. Again, I would be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt, but I am a generous person in these regards.

Just admit that it was an ice blue jelly double-ended dildo… :wink:

He has relatively few transactions, but they stretch out over at least three or four years, so he’s not a total newbie. And I think there are pretty strong reasons to suspect that he knew what he was doing, and was just covering his violations of the rules with plausible excuses. But he could just have been sloppy. There’s almost enough reasonable doubt. Which is why I came here.

So if I go the NPS route, will he know that I was the one who complained? More so than negative feedback, this could be cause for retribution on his part, and I’m a little concerned about that. I’ll go to eBay and look over the procedures, but if anyone can relate experiences with using the NPS process, I’d be interested in hearing about it.

Well, the one I wanted was single-ended. :smiley:

I don’t eBay much, but if he was going to be out of town, why did he post the auction when he did? I’ve seen plenty of auctions that say that they only ship once a week, only make widgets to order, etc. If he wasn’t going to be able to take care of it personally, and his wife couldn’t handle it right either, he had no business running that auction at that time. Also, if he was out of town and couldn’t straighten out his wife, how could he reply to your e-mail and offer to sell to you off eBay? If you are unhappy with the transaction, leave negative feedback. Also, complain to PayPal.