Should non-vaccinating parents be held liable for disease transmitted by their child?

Thankfully, a U.S. Senator recognizes the extreme hazard of the slippery slope when it comes to government regulation:

“In a question-and-answer session Monday at the Bipartisan Policy Center, Sen. Thom Tillis, R-North Carolina, argued that restaurants should be allowed to “opt out” of certain regulations - such as employees washing their hands. Such a rule, he says, is an example of how America is “one of the most regulated nations in the history of the planet.””

Seriously, why should there be any regulations affecting how restaurants do business? Let them leave chicken out of the fridge overnight, the market will take care of it. :mad:

The hilarious part of Tillis’ stance is that he still wants the handwashing regulation, he just wants additional regulations to allow restaurants to opt out while properly informing their customers of their non-washing protocol.

As a response to over-regulation.

Why do you have to be told this again and again? It wouldn’t be anti-vaxxers against anti-vaxxers, it would be children who cannot be vaccinated (or have been, but it didn’t take) against anti-vaxxers. Those kids aren’t all that rare, you know. The siblings of kids or parents with immunocompromised systems also cannot have the few vaccines that have the live virus in them, so it’s not even only sick kids we’re taking about.

The parents who chose not to vaccinate for non-medical reasons would have no chance in court if they decided to sue other non-vaccinating parents, but the other parents would.

Jimmy Kimmel gets help from some foul-mouthed actual doctors: Jimmy Kimmel got doctors to swear at cameras to convince people to get vaccinated - Vox

He makes a good point. If you refuse to vaccinate your kids, then don’t take them or yourself to a doctor. Because, why would you? You apparently know more than they do.

I’m glad to see him doing this, and he’s not the only one. I’m seeing more and more public shaming and berating of anti-vaxers. If that’s what it takes, then so be it. Shame them. Make them pariahs. Sue them if it can be shown that they caused harm to another child.

It sounds draconian and cruel but this ridiculous and dangerous trend has to be stopped.

I was born in the 60s, and AFAIK, all of us from that era got vaccinated. I never heard of anyone getting complications, autism, etc. resulting from vaccination.

I’m curious as to what the modern-day anti-vaxers’ response is to this. How did vaccines suddenly become something to fear?

I think the only routine vaccinations done in the 60s were for smallpox and polio.

IIRC there were no vaccines for measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc. yet. I suffered through all of them.

I say we infect the parents with M, M and R just so they see what it’s like.

Measles vaccine was introduced in 1963; mumps and rubella vaccines a few years later (the combined MMR went into use in the early seventies).

Vaccines have been feared by a small but vocal contingent since the smallpox vaccine was introduced. Antivaxxers are not new, the internet has simply allowed them to network and amplify their voices.

Or the kid who’s just too young to be vaccinated yet. That one will be far less rare.

A few articles by Dorit Reiss Rubenstein professor of law at UC-Hastings who has written extensively about this legal issues surrounding vaccination over the past few years:

http://sites.uchastings.edu/lawandvaccines/

Mandates are legal as are many of the measures proposed in this thread. You’re not going to change the minds of the minority on this issue. The only thing you can really do is quarantine and institute punitive measures whenever possible. Nothing else really works.

Bob Dylan said it best, “The times, they are a-changing.”

You know, I used to back chiropractic in general, that it was only the “woo” (“chiropractic can cure cancer!”) that were the bad guys, and that the “chiropractic is good for back pain, etc” group is fine.

No longer. The California chiropractic association came out against vaccination.
https://www.calchiro.org/content/opp...lief-exemption

http://www.latimes.com/local/politic...305-story.html

Now sure, what they are saying is that they arent against vaccination, they are just in favor of the completely bogus and overused nutcase “personal belief exemption”. But it works out to be the same thing. By being against SB277 they are pro-antivac nutjobs.

No longer will I go to one.

Many chiropractors are anti-vaccination, and there is a long tradition of such attitudes within chiropractic, endorsed by major chiropractic associations (sometimes with the pretense of supporting “choice”):

http://www.tihcij.com/Articles/Anti-Vaccination-Attitudes-within-the-Chiropractic-Profession-Implications-for-Public-Health-Ethics.aspx?id=0000377

The part of this I still don’t get is how all these anti-vaxers can claim that vaccines are toxic, poisonous, etc. despite the fact that millions of people have gotten vaccinated with few or no ill effects.

Bwa-ha! You just think there weren’t ill effects! What about all those allergies, asthma, food intolerance, irritable bowel syndrome, diabetes, various autoimmune diseases, cancers, obesity and like that there? The cause is obvious! It’s gotta be the vaccines!!!

Sorry, just channeling there for a bit.

I gotcha.

Of course, back in the day when there were no vaccines and people suffered from all sorts of maladies, the cause was obvious. It had to be demons!
Right?

Yes, and also colon toxins.*

*actual colon demons existed too, but could usually be vanquished by eating spicy Mexican food.

I certainly accept that the medical community knows what they’re doing. But just in case a parent had reservations about three vaccines given all at once, is there an alternative to an MMR so you can get one at a time over a few weeks?