I see this asserted a lot, usually by people who have never been shy of looking for a stick to beat Obama with. What I tend not to see is any substantive evidence.
…you misunderstand.
They don’t feel betrayed or sick because “Obama gave a speech on Wall Street.”
They feel betrayed and sick because of how Obama has been treated for giving a speech on Wall Street. They don’t care he made the speech. They want him to take the damn money. They are angry with Sanders, with Warren, with the New York Times, they are angry with the double standard that Obama is being held too.
I suggest you start by reading Black Twitter. (Yes, its an actual thing)
Approval ratings? Obama isn’t running for office. Who would be tracking his approval ratings?
My bad, then. Did you have any evidence of how the African American community feels towards, for instance, the New York Times or Warren? I don’t find a Wiki link to Twitter very convincing.
Regards,
Shodan
…it wasn’t a wiki link to twitter. It was a link describing “black twitter.” If you don’t know what black twitter is or how to find it, then read the wiki article.
Twitter of any color isn’t very convincing. I was asking if you had any real evidence.
Regards,
Shodan
…I bet you didn’t even know black twitter existed before today. It is “real evidence.” Have you checked it out yet?
Lets just remember that you started by first assuming I was claiming something I wasn’t, then you asked for approval ratings when it should be freaking obvious that Obama isn’t running for anything and there is nothing to “approve of.”
So in the absence of poll ratings, what is it exactly you are asking for? I haven’t claimed that every black person is angry over this. I’ve claimed that there is outrage and anger in the black community. And you can find that anger by delving into something like black twitter and reading their words for yourself. You can read the words of Imani Gandy, AKA The Angry Black Lady. T. Fisher King. Abe Froman. Feminista Jones.
This might make it easier for you to understand:
As I said: black twitter is a thing. I very much doubt that you even managed to finish reading that wiki article in the time it took you to dismiss it as "real evidence." Do you want to hear what black people are saying? Then don't rely on google search. Go read what they are saying. It will take you longer than ten minutes.I am asking for evidence that the African American community feels sickened and betrayed by the New York Times, Bernie Sanders, and/or Elizabeth Warren. Which is what you claimed. Twitter isn’t representative of the African American community as a whole, as I am sure you are aware.
Regards,
Shodan
Yeah, no need for a disclaimer on that one.
The sarcasm bit my nose right off as soon as I opened the jar.
Still, this pinko librul still got a chuckle out of it, so thanks.
BUT, I think **Banquet Bear **is saying that the African American community is angry with the progressives who are criticizing Obama for taking the paid speaking gig.
He’s turning Asahi’s language about “optics” back on him to suggest that it’s leftist criticism against Obama that is going to tarnish the left’s image and alienate former supporters more than Obama’s actions.
BB, did I read that right?
And so the alternative then is four more years of Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, Trump’s hand-picked man from the Old South aptly named after a Confederate States of America war hero and who has a documented history of trying to imprison African Americans in federal court simply for attempting to vote in an election, and a man who has vowed to re-ignite a war on drugs that has imprisoned millions of black Americans over the past 30 years. Pardon me, but I think I’m going to give African Americans a little more credit than that.
…nothing is representative of the African American community as a whole, as I am sure you are aware. I never claimed black twitter (not “twitter”, black twitter is a thing) was representative of the African Community as a whole, as you are also well aware. So your question is disingenuous. You are asking for a cite for something that you are of the opinion doesn’t exist. You asked for poll ratings that you knew didn’t exist.
I’ve provided you a place to look, so that you can see the anger for yourself. I’ve given you some names of people to look at. You’ve ignored them. I’ve provided evidence. You’ve dismissed it without even looking. You have chosen to pretend that a huge cultural phenomenon, one that drove what happened at Ferguson, that helped create Black Lives Matter, doesn’t exist. If you want to know what black people are thinking, then go read what they are saying.
No, but you claimed, or at least seemed to suggest, that there is some sort of groundswell of anger coming from the Black community, just because Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who are white, criticize (not really that harshly I might add) Obama for taking a rather hefty sum of money from Wall Street. I don’t see that, either.
Are some Black people mad? Maybe so, but if Sens. Sanders and Warren believe that the criticism is warranted, then they’ll probably accept it and move on. I’m sure that some Black Americans – maybe “many” however many that is – see a double standard, and I can understand why they might feel that way. I don’t think that’s lost on Sanders and Warren either.
However, Barack Obama ran as a progressive, and he ran 2 campaigns on a platform of changing the way Wall Street works and on restoring more balance between the classes. That might not have been his explicit message but it was implicit in the manner in which he campaigned. Say what you want, and maybe the criticism is overblown, but it absolutely looks bad for anyone claiming to be a true progressive to come out and collect a $400K paycheck from Corporate America.
If Barack Obama had run and somehow won the Republican nomination, rather than the Democratic Party’s nomination, en route to his presidency, then there probably wouldn’t have been any criticism to begin with – at least not from the left. Nobody would have cared about the optics of a $400,000 Wall St speech because we would have expected as much. But when you run as a progressive, people notice such things, regardless of race and regardless of who might see criticisms as a double-standard.
And while I get the criticisms that it’s a double-standard to criticize a black president while white presidents have set the precedent, such criticism misses the point. I acknowledge that some African Americans won’t see it that way, but there is more than one way to look at this. And besides, Barack Obama ran as the president of all Americans, not just Black America.
But if you’re suggesting that Black America is going to abandon the progressive cause NOW over this ‘controversy’, well, as I said in a previous post, the alternative is to live with Jefferson Sessions as the chief prosecutor of the land. There’s already a history there, and an ugly one at that. Progressives need to have a climate in which we’re free to disagree without falling on our own swords. We can only do that so many times.
Including, it appears, your statement that the African American community is sickened and disgusted at Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, and the New York Times.
Regards,
Shodan
Don’t ask me for pardon, my son. It’s not mine to give.
Just pointing out to Bricker how I interpreted BB’s response to you is all.
Personally I think the both of you are highlighting different aspects of the same problem: that the Left seems to be tearing itself apart at time when it should be pulling itself together.
‘Fraid I gots no easy answers there, but it’s worrying to see.