That must explain msmith’s high-pitched whining. 
It will fall apart, largely thanks to a U.S. invasion that was, as it turned out, based on a campaign of ridiculous lies.
As I recall, they had a solution; “Don’t invade Iraq.”
You broke it, so you pay for it.
Do I take it that you consider liberal concern for the suffering of the Iraqi people to be unjustified? I thought that the current reason being touted by conservatives for the recent war in Iraq was the suffering of the Iraqi people.
Please do let me know where I’m going wrong here…
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One requires a solution when one has a problem. WMD’s don’t seem to have been the problem. Only a liberal crybaby bitch-ho would worry about the suffering of the Iraqi people, Iraq being just a third world sandpile after all. So what problem should liberals have provided a solution to, exactly?
No way the UN should do a fucking thing until the US relinquishes all authority in Iraq. GWB should be allowed absolutely no say in anything from here on out and US troops should be put under UN control. Bush is the problem here, why should he be allowed to keep fucking things up?
My concern is if the rest of the world bails the US out, that the neo-cons will have resources freed for renewed warmongering. Better they be left in the quagmire they have already created then be free to start yet another new one. Only way those gibbering simians will learn is through a good ass-kicking by reality until it at last penetrates the ideological-peanut that passes for their brain.
No. Fuck. I am not reading this before I respond. I am helpless and sipteful in the face of endless ignorance. The UN has no obligation to support the US anymore. You were supposed to pay your bills, not ignore them since day one. My fucking project, dears, is an international court that judges war criminals who lie to their citizens and invade other countries for no reason, just out of the love of war.
No. Fuck. I am not reading this before I respond. I am helpless and spiteful in the face of endless ignorance. The UN has no obligation to support the US anymore. You were supposed to pay your bills, not ignore them since day one. My fucking project, dears, is an international court that judges war criminals who lie to their citizens and invade other countries for no reason, just out of the love of war.
Who would want to put their own forces inclose proximity to the americans after yet another friendly fire incident
i wouldn’t post my mother-in-law within a thousand miles of those cross-eyed “troops.”
American, here.
If I were France, I’d tell GW that he made his bed and now he gets to lie in it all by his lonesome.
Don’t get me wrong. I’d love it if all these folks would chip in with some cash at least, but I can understand it if they didn’t. 'Cause if the situations were reversed we wouldn’t be cutting* them *any checks.
My opinion, anyhoo.
I think Bush should get drunk on his ass and stumble into the UN shouting …
“Come on boys!!! Let’s split up the booty!!!”.
That’s pretty assholish, right there.
I’d like to see the United Nations say:
"We stand ready and willing to help out Iraq. We have gathered x billion in pledges from the International Community to rebuild the country, set up law-enforcement, and assist in the creation of a self-determined, democratic, stable government in the country.
"However, we do not believe the United States is best equipped to utilize these resources. We are therefore placing the resources in escrow until the United States acknowledges the United Nations as the legitimate temporary authority in Iraq.
"When the United States makes such an acknowledgement, we will be able to begin efforts to rebuild the country within seven days. We invite the United States to contribute generously and fairly to the rebuilding effort, both with money given to the United Nations and with soldiers and other government workers placed under United Nations Command.
“The sooner the United States surrenders authority in Iraq to the United Nations, the sooner the international community can step in and rebuild the country.”
Yep – I’d love to see that. Make it very clear that the UN isn’t going to make Iraqis suffer due to the US’s stupidity; at the same time, make it clear that the United States MUST cede authority in order for the United Nations to step in effectively.
We are a part of the UN. The UN isn’t a part of the United States.
Daniel
Daniel, that is pretty much what France has already said and the USA has rejected.
The USA is holding the Iraqi people captive for its own ends. France has said it is willing to participate if certain conditions are met and among those conditions are that power is transferred back to an independent Iraqi government in short time and that the UN is given more authority. It is the USA who is objecting to this. The USA is acting like a spoiled brat. It wants to have its way and it wants others to play along without being given any authority or say which is just ridiculous. The cause of the situation in Iraq lies squarely on the USA and it is the responsibility of the USA to correct it. Other countries have NO obligation or responsibility to help the USA out, much less with the attitude the USA is taking.
The USA is holding the Iraqi people hostage for its own ends, just like Saddam Hussein was doing. Saddam Hussein could have ended the sanctions just by going along with the UN. That’s what the USA said all along. It was Saddam’s Hussein’s faul;t if the Iraqi people were suffering. Now we are exactly in the same situation: if the USA wants the UN to cooperate all it has to do is go along with what the UN is demanding. But it refuses and then it blames others. The situation in Iraq is 100% to be blamed on the USA and it is the USA who has the obligation to clean up the mess. Demanding that other come in to take orders is the height of arrogance (and stupidity).
Pretty much the same topic is being discussed in US wants the UN to clean up
My son is over there.
Go fuck yourself.
sailor, I agree with you 100%. I know other countries are saying what I said; I’d just like to see them say it in unison. The US can probably veto any UN resolution put forward to that effect, but having that resolution on the table would still be a powerful statement, and would help Bush’s opponents back home pressure him into acceding to it. “You mean to tell us,” we could say, “that you want us to pay for the entire reconstruction of Iraq, even though other countries are willing to help, just so you can keep control of the country and get our troops shot at more? Nuts to that!”
Help us build a clear alternative to Bush’s plans in Iraq, and either we can force him to work with the rest of the world, or we can kick his butt out of power and install a president who believes in multilateralism. The clearer the rest of the world is in its desire to work alongside (but not underneath) us, the clearer it’ll be to the American electorate that multilateralism is the only choice.
Daniel
A gentle admonition, Seal. I think it vanishingly unlikely that anyone here does not sympathize with your concern, nor wish anything other than your son’s speedy and safe return. Take that as a given.
The incidents like the Iraqi policemen’s tragic and madding deaths are due to incompetence and poor planning. This is a fact. To state that our soldiers are incompetent at the task of policemen is by no means a sneer, they were trained as soldiers, to fight soldiers in starkly clear situations. Us. Them. Kill them.
That they have been pressed into service as policemen by circumstances entirely out of thier control is a recipe for a series of brutal misunderstandings. I don’t blame them, I blame the men who sent them there.
Your anger is well justified, but ill targeted.
Of course, if it isn’t already clear, my best wishes for your son. My own son is 22, and if he were there, I doubt I would draw a sober breath until I saw him again, home and whole.
I agree with this completely. Bush is putting his own ego ahead of the welfare of Iraqis.
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Sorry, you’re wrong.
I have been working against the war since before it started. Also started a thread about supporting the troops.
The same soldiers who go overseas for the wrong reason are the same ones who might just save your pathetic lazy ass someday, not in anger .
To Not in anger: Once again, go fuck yourself.
I hate shrub and his junta more than anyone. But smart ass comments about people putting their lives on the line are chickenshit.
So, Not in anger , respond.
Asshole.