And he never murders any dissidents or rivals! What a pussy.
Once again , “Really Not That Bright” proves the truth of his moniker. The fact is, most of these refugees are not from Syria at all-they are economic migrants from Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan. They are coming for one reason only-a better life in a wealth Christian culture. Stopping the war in Syria could be done easily, except that there is no will to do it. take ISIS-it as a small force of perhaps 20,000. If it were attacked (by destroying its support base0, it would last about a week (without ammunition and food). Nobody (except Putin) seems willing to do this.
Let me get this straight:
You are saying that ISIS can be destroyed in a week, if one is willing to do it.
You are saying that Putin *is *willing to do it.
So we can get together here in a week and celebrate the destruction of ISIS?
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Sweet
Why double down on ignorance? Do you have a cite showing that the majority are economic refugees just wanting to sponge off the Christian states in Europe? According to this, while many politicians say this, they are wrong:
As for your ridiculous assertion that the Russian’s could easily solve this by sending in spetsnaz, this shows a prett basic lack of understanding of how light special forces are used, what they are capable of and why you wouldn’t use them this way. In addition, Russia simply doesn’t have the ability to project the kind of force into Syria that could or would take on ISIS. They don’t have the air lift capability to send 10’s of thousands of even lightly armed troops that far away and no way to support them in the field. They couldn’t bring to bear even what rickety air force they have to the region and even if they did basically no one is going to give them leave to fly over their air space to attack targets in Syria with the possible exception of Iran. But Iran isn’t going to let them base planes out of their country, so whatever they bring in will have to come from Russia itself, and I seriously doubt Russia has the planes to do much of anything today wrt projecting force that far from their borders. From what I’ve heard, their show of force flights have seriously strapped them, since maintenance these days is still spotty and their crew training isn’t exactly up to even their old, bad, Soviet days.
Regardless, they aren’t going to push ISIS out of Syria and win the war for Assad using spetsnaz (which there aren’t all that many of), even augmented with other Russian light forces.
Did you buy those maps from a guy on the street?
Ralph, you should know better than to insult another poster like that.
Warning issued. Please don’t do it again.
People who believe that the USA is a “Christian nation” and is (or should be) led by Christian values ought to be insisting that we accept as many refugees as we possibly can; anyone who want to come here.
I don’t believe the premise (that this is a Christian nation). But I do believe that we should welcome as many refugees as we possibly can. I’d be willing to have a family live in my house. It’s pretty appalling that we would turn our backs on this mess that we contributed to making.
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We aren’t turning our backs…we’ve given over half a billion dollars in aid, and this doesn’t count what we give to the various nations in the region who are taking in refugees. In addition we are allowing Syrian’s who apply as refugees into the US (as are Canada and Australia btw). And the State Department is going to try and up those figures in 2016.
It’s not a matter of room, it’s really a matter of getting around the red tape and bureaucracy in our system, which is set up more to allow immigration than refugees. My guess is the US is already making plans to up the number allowed as other countries have.
How many Iraqi refugees in USA?
You talk a lot about immigrants from Latin-America, but they aren’t refugees.
Did you read the cite? We take in 70+k per year. Every year. Well…before 2 years ago it was 80+k per year. Refugees. Which are different than the millions of immigrants we take in every year. They don’t break down how many come from where, at least not in the linked article, but I’m sure it’s out there somewhere. The state department is planning to substantially increase this next year due to the crisis.
Woof. :eek: Ok, assuming I am reading it correctly, it looks like we took in 10,000 Iraqi’s in 2013, 7000 of which were considered ‘Refugees and asylees’ And it looks like, according to this big ass PDF we actually took in over 77k total ‘Refugees and asylees’ in that same year from a staggering number of countries, though for some reason Haitian refugees aren’t in this category and get one of their own under some special act.
Actually they do break it down in your cite. (Interesting page by the way.) According to it 46% of the refugees that arrived in 2014 were from “Near East/South Asia”, that is 32450 individuals.
It is commendable that the US have been taking in tens of thousands of refugees each year for the past few years. However, given the current situation I believe it is nowhere near enough. The US have the strength to do a lot more and I hope that the state department will increase the quotas as substantially as you say.
By the way: I do not think that the US should be helping out of any feeling of responsibility or even guilt because of their actions in Iraq. They should help, because helping those in need is part of our moral value system. It has often been mentioned in this thread and others that the US are a predominantly Christian nation. I’d say giving shelter to refugees is probably as Christian as it gets.
Where are you looking? I am on page 40, and I see 19,487 Iraqis admitted as refugees in FY2013 (which doesn’t count Iraqis granted asylum in the U.S., or Iraqis admitted through the regular family-based process, for example). And a whopping 36 Syrians a bit later, on p. 41.
Finally step up? The refugees want to go to Europe. What are you going to do? Kidnap the refugees at gunpoint?
I am sure you could find one or two, who would agree to go to the US without the threat of violence. … One or two million that is.
I just did a search on ‘refugee’. Looks like it’s Table 10, page 28 is where I was looking earlier…Obtaining Lawful Permanent Resident Status by Broad Class of Admission and Region and Country of Birth.
Hell Yes, we are wealthy and large. The U.S can absorb hundreds of thousands, if Iceland takes in say 10,000 or 20,000 are settled in a country like Czech Republic, than yes the U.S can take far more than that. Germany takes in about 800,000 by the end of this year and could take 500,000 by next year.
We are pathetic if don’t change this. And yes we should take more refugees from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.
Those are people who were previously refugees, but became permanent residents in the year in question. Refugees and asylees are allowed to apply for permanent residence one year after first admission as refugees or being granted asylum, and they generally do.
Well, would you prefer to trip them?
I Pit Jobbik-loving "Journalist" Petra Laszlo - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board (The case of the bigoted reporter in Hungary that tripped and kicked refugees, even kids.)
Although it is true that a lot do look at Europe as the destination, I do think that a lot of the refugees will accept to come to the US. I do know that many Europeans would like to deal with less numbers than the ones they are dealing with now.