So, Pathros, do you blindfold your kids in the shower?
I guess I didn’t make myself clear enough. We live in a society where the majority of people are adults. In the general arena of this society, (i.e public places), we shouldn’t all have to live as children because a small percentage are. You raise your kids how you like. Don’t make society change so you don’t have to bother raising them at all, though.
Good for you. You should exercise your ability to choose more often, instead of willing it to be inscribed as law.
No, they have a right of freedom of expression. You don’t have a right to freedom from female booty.
First of all ** gex gex ** don’t be so defensive. I already said how the US would never pass laws banning “thongs” because it would violate freedom of expression. The US hasn’t outlawed pornography, but does have restrictions on it so that if I ** chose not to view it ** I don’t have to, or if I want to protect my children from it, I could do that too.
LOOK, I don’t want to prohibit someone from expressing themselves. I DO wish that the government would encourage laws to help protect those who cannot protect themselves, and if my children were in a public place I would not want them exposed to overt sexuality. I’m not trying to change society so that I don’t have to bother raising my kids. However, if someone has the atitude that I “don’t have the freedom from the female booty” then you sir or madam, have stepped over the line from telling me that I can’t force society to keep me from being a responsible parent, to you trying to undermine how I raise them.
Try reading my response to ** Green Bean **. Then you’ll realize how foolish that statement is.
Excuse me? So, by that statement a woman can flash me, or expose a lot of body to me and its her right to do that? What about my children? she can expose herself to them and it’s her choice? There are a ton of other avenues like this without using nudity, and all of them are Wrong. They can express theirselves all they want, but I have a right that if I chose to not have to view that sort of thing, then I don’t have to. I DO Look away, and I DO avoid situations where I could be exposed to that, but when it comes to my children, I do everything in my power to protect them. I am saying, though, that the law should be on my side, in the sake of protecting my children. I am an adult, and can shield myself from whatever I wish, but I can only protect my children so much that the government should support me.
Has that thought ever occured to you that you may be causing more damage than good?
The world is full of things like nudity, thong underwear, porn, and homeless people begging for change.
If a child has not read exposure to them they won’t be able to deal with them rationally when the time comes.
Think of it as an innoculation. To insure the wellbeing of the child, it’s a good idea to expose them, at least a little, to the seamier side of life and teach them to deal with it ahead of time.
We all know someone who was raised in a pure household, with no ‘bad influences’ throughout their childhood. Then they went to college, and went berserk.
You’re right, but I chose to instill rationality onto my children myself, and perhaps through dosages I can control. I DO NOT wish that society does this itself, to where they may be overdosed on sexuality and be sexually destructive.
If my children never heard the word sex before college, you’re right, they’ll go beserk. I went to a school in Utah where many students came from very strong mormon backgrounds, and witnessed them go sexually insane. HOWEVER, that does not mean I have to allow them to be exposed to open sexuality and other ideas to keep this from happening. As long as I teach my children about sex, and ensure they keep it in it’s perspective then I could do this. Sex after all is not a dirty word, but a lot of times when society presents it, it is. I just want my children to learn my definition, and not societys’.
Pathros, I read your other comments on parenting and you obviously have a good soul and a good heart and I don’t doubt that for a second.
Next, in the context of the narrowly confined quote I’ve highlighted above… I truly, truly hope you don’t give a shit what other people around the world think of you Pathros, but holy dooly that’s an epicly silly thing to say.
So many people the world over make the mistake of empowering other ‘things’ to have some sort of mystical influence over us. Nothing could be further from the truth. An image, an object, a thong bathing suit does NOT, I repeat does NOT provoke anything. It is an inanimate object.
The only thing that happens is OUR reaction to something. The object itself does bugger all. What counts is how we ourselves handle ourselves and how responsibly we react.
Accordingly, by extension, your logic argues that Americans are LESS capable of reacting judiciously to a given image/object/clothing than other developed countries around the world - and I for one reckon that’s a insulting assertion to your fellow countrymen.
I love Americans and I love their general capacity to be magnanimous and worldly - often against strong influences to remain thoroughly insular. I point blank refuse to believe that the general population of the United States is intellectually LESS capable of reacting to a Thong Bathing suite than the rest of the world.
Eesh, we seem to have four points to ponder going all at once, here:
As far as a “dress code” on private property, I think that’s the decision of the property owners. Since you’re one of the owners, you need to take appropriate action to overturn or modify this particular action of the board. Several good suggestions have already been made.
Children and nudity/sexuality. My father was a devout Lutheran, born in 1911, and my mother a devout Russian Orthodox, born in 1925. We all walked around naked at home when we felt like it, and we all went skinny-dipping together. My parents not only saw nudity as completely natural, they saw it as the opposite of sexually enticing. (As my father used to remark about miniskirts and hot pants, “well, there goes the mystery.”) In other words, nudity IS NOT sexuality–and certainly not pornography!
Patros_1983, I’m one of those who firmly believes that my society shouldn’t have to be warped, bent, twisted, spindled or mutilated to fit into your view of childrearing.
I have to admit that my only reaction to thongs themselves are: “Geez, those look uncomfortable.” Isn’t a thong rather like giving yourself a daylong wedgie?
LOOK, I know a thong in itself is not an object that provokes people into having sex, and I’m not really trying to mutilate society to fit my view on childrearing. If I don’t want my children to see something I have the right to protect them from that. I just wish the government would do things to support that, and really though, Thong banning is not twisting or mutilating society, and as I said before, IT WON’T HAPPEN.
My focus on thong banning, isn’t on the actual thongs, but more so towards people exposing theirselves in the open. A lot of it is also in response to when ** gex gex ** said I do not have the freedom from the female booty, and I responded primarily because of protection for children. Every child is raised differently, and I’m not saying there is anything wrong with how you were raised ** squish **, but if I believe in modesty and protecting my children from something, I should be able to.
I’m going to start another debate on this because it’s rather interesting… hopefully I can link this thread to that, but if not, feel free to jump in and help!
Turnabout is fair play. Handsome men from 18-25 years old should be required to wear thongs. Anyone with long hair on their back should be dragged away and beaten for wearing thongs.
