The news right now (both AP and NYT) says that Israel accuses Hamas of not following the deal because they are too slow in releasing remains of dead hostages, and Israel is therefore reducing the number of aid trucks allowed to enter Gaza.
Here’s one from BBC:
It follow reports that Israel will not open the Rafah border crossing between Egypt and Gaza on Wednesday, and will reduce the flow of aid into the territory, in response to Hamas handing over only four of 28 bodies of deceased hostages on Monday.
They have been saying that they don’t know where some of the bodies are which is completely plausible. If was my former loved one, they can keep the body as far as I care.
So they’ve agreed to do what they had agreed to do before, and they haven’t agreed to do what they hadn’t agreed to do before. Got it.
They wouldn’t agree to disarmament last time and they won’t agree to disarmament now. You said “the plan involves Hamas disarming”. Hamas disagrees with that.
If you ignore the details of the prior plan and current plan, I guess you can squint and pretend that they’re different.
Well, apart from the original article in which the statement was made by an Israeli negotiator involved in the ceasefire negotiations. That seems like “evidence” to me.
Note that this was specifically about what Hamas was offering. The US and Israel wouldn’t agree to those terms under Biden.
It does if Netanyahu did delay any agreement until a change of administration.
This is true.
What - after we were just told by Trump it was going to last? I guess all that “Phase 2” stuff is now moot.
Mind you, the agreement wouldn’t have held under Biden either.
Before they did not agree to release the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire. This time, they did.
Hamas was offering nothing unless Israel agreed to withdraw permanently with Hamas keeping their weapons. Now they agreed to release the hostages and a ceasefire without Israel withdrawing permanently. That’s totally different.
He did not make the statement you claim he is making. He did not say that Hamas agreed to release the prisoners without an Israeli withdrawal.
After working with the OP, we’ve acknowledged the thread was drifting, but that the question of the success of the Deal, and Trump’s support for it (or lack thereof) is still central to the original question. So I’m slightly opening it up because otherwise just about everything posted recently would otherwise be a technical hijack. Please be mindful that this is a developing situation, tempers are high, and reporting is incomplete. As always attack the post, not the poster.
Title amended to reflect the widening of the topic.
The trickier part is, what if what we achieve is to stop the immediate large scale calamity, only to get just a reversion to drawn-out low-intensity conflict with intermittent flare-ups.
Typical of Al Jazeera not to tell you that Hamas already violated the peace agreement by only returning a fraction of the bodies they agreed to return.
Or to please it more in keeping with the theme of this thread: so you think it looks like this truce will last long enough that Trump’s credit matters?
20 hostages have been released after 738 days of torturous hell inflicted on them by Hamas. Even if the war starts up again tomorrow, that deserves credit.
Another important factor are points 15 thru 17 in Trump’s plan. If the global community, especially the US, Egypt, and Qatar actually have the willingness to implement this, it doesn’t matter if Hamas agrees or not:
If the ISF is actually established, manned, armed, and funded then control of Gaza can slowly be handed to it bit by bit. It’s exactly the sort of starving Hamas of oxygen by replacing and supplanting it that I’ve suggested is the only solution since October of 2023.
This is the first time that Abbas has spoken to Israeli media in years. If he is actually implementing these reforms, and of course that’s a big if, that would be absolutely massive. This could be the PA finally making the changes it needs to if it wants PA control of Gaza to be palatable to Israelis.
I still have a cynical voice in my head thinking that’s the only objective the a-hole twins really thought / cared could realistically be achieved. Donnie crowing about it and completely overselling it as “peace in the Middle East” just sounds like his usual schtick but to a larger audience. It’s like he thinks the world is as stupid as his base, and when he declares he’s brought peace (or ended another war), he just expects everyone to go along. Jeez, what a one trick pony phony.
The statement he made is the statement I claimed he made. I didn’t claim he said Hamas had agreed to disarmament. I didn’t claim he said that Hamas agreed to release the prisoners without an Israeli withdrawal. I claimed he said that the terms that Hamas had originally agreed to under Biden (note that these were before the terms of the January 2025 ceasefire) were the same terms that Hamas had agreed to now. Which is what he said. So I did not make the statement you claim I am making.
Absolutely bonkers that anyone would expect Hamas could possibly turn over the remains of all hostages on short notice. They’ve been being bombed to oblivion, and someone expects them to have prioritized keeping track of a bunch of bodies?