There is no turning around free speech to see how it fits. It fits just fine. It goes hand in hand with freedom to mind your own fucking business. Nobody shoved this movie up anybody’s ass. Those who got upset over this went out of their way to avail themselves of the material and then used it to foment blind hate toward other people.
There is an infinite amount of blasphemous material on the internet. There is zero chance of making it go away so the idea of teaching Americans or anybody else to suck it up because of a bunch of lunatics is both intellectually and morally bankrupt. It’s as mindless an idea as Obama thinking his presidency would ease Muslim hostility.
Cite that we’re randomly bombing people. And while you’re at it post your suggestion on how to deal with warlords who take young children and raise them to adulthood to be ideological religious warriors.
I’d just like to point out that your views on this issue that I’ve seem posted in this thread so far are so utterly simplistic, uninformed and emotionally based as to defy comprehension.
If you were aware of the reality surrounding contemporary military precision strike capability, fire control and collateral damage statistics I believe your head would probably explode.
Better to revile in your convenient illusions and keep one more innocent alive.
Here’s a story on drone inaccuracy.; it’s actually pretty mild in its criticism. Why don’t you provide a believable cite that we aren’t killing people randomly?
Stay out of their range.
Translation: I don’t chant “Rah rah go America” loud enough when we bomb a wedding.
It is my contention (or you could just watch the news any night of the week) that many people will not tolerate this kind of offense and feel strongly that, according to their beliefs and culture, violence is the only correct response.
We can debate for as many pages as you’d like about how wrong they are according to our beliefs and culture, but it won’t change the fact that these things are happening.
It is also my contention that a strategy that includes maybe kinda spewing a little bit less offensive hate at them will be more successful at reducing this violence than will a strategy of convincing them that they’re wrong. But then I’m in customer service
Not to play devil’s advocate (because, for the most part, I agree with you) but isn’t this more-or-less the same argument Muslims have against Westerners?
The best method of education is more movies like the one made here, more Muhammed Cartoons, etc. Eventually they’ll get with the program and start to ignore them since they can’t be rioting 24/7/365.
Yes. They need to accept civilization, even if dragged their by the scruff of their necks. Either that or half a dozen virgins after their lights are turned out. Either way.
I was wondering if its possible to can get their religious book modified through UN through an effort lead by some country like Brazil or Japan which considered neutral by everyone in this regard.
Make it secular by adding that Jesus, Buddh etc gave the same message as Muhammad, and that Allah, God etc are one and the same. This is what Ahmadi Sect of Islam actually says for which they are persecuted in Pakistan and not considered Muslims by Pakistani Mullahs. Delete the portions in their religious book which cause women inequality, intolerance against religious minorities, homosexuals etc in Islamic societies. Study only the modified books and abandon the older version all across the world.
I am wondering if this is possible.
No. But more people could join. And the violence could be intensified.
“We’ll just insult them in order to convince them of their wrongness!” is a plan which I feel reasonably confident in saying has never once worked. I was going to go on about how bad an idea it was, except it has now been beaten by the idea of literally attempting to rewrite the Koran. Seriously; these are not good ideas. I must confess I can’t think of a way that would help; but i’m not so desperate to come up with some way that i’ll grasp at a plan that would make things worse.
Personally, I think you’d be better served by giving them free internet devices by the hundreds of thousands, maybe cheap little four-inch parabolic dishes anyone can use to connect a computer to a satellite signal, and swamp them with James Bond movies, Baywatch episodes, telenovela-ish soap operas, maybe some very mild softcore porn… such that the efforts by their own governments to block these will be seen as relentlessly killjoyish.
We don’t have to convince them of anything since what they believe in is only of secondary concern; it is how they behave that is the issue. So if they were confronted on a daily basis with things that is a challenge to their beliefs then supposedly eventually they’d get used to it and don’t go into retard mode over some random stuff they dig up on the bottom of the Internet. But in any case the Internet is full of stuff that is a much worse affront to Islam than this movie or the previous cartoons, so I’m not sure it works that way. It’s more like they want a nice riot and then they go find some random thing to riot about.
If you mean that many Muslims want Westerners to understand that the actions of a fanatical violent subset of Muslims do not represent the attitudes of all Muslims, then yes it is.
Both arguments are valid, and they don’t contradict each other. The Muslim world needs to develop a better understanding of the fact that the acts of specific hateful individuals and groups in the West are not sponsored and endorsed by the Western world as a whole. And vice versa.
