Should we revamp the degree system in the U.S.?

Inspired by some thread somewhere.

We have a post-grad system whereby a professional can do master’s level work yet recieve a doctorate because it is their field’s terminal degree. This flies in the face of our traditional three level system bachelor -> master -> doctor . . . but then again, M.D.s and D.D.S.s are technically master level degrees (but traditionally a doctorate degree just like the J.D. This is a holdover from medieval times) yet more people prefer to call them “Doctor” and not use the same title for then those with a Ph.D. or Ed.D.

And where are all of the Sc.D.s? If Ph.D. is a research degree and Ph.D. is a practicum degree in science, then shouldn’t there be a lot more programs offering Sc.D. degrees for those working in the science fields? The same could be said for the lack of D.Litt or DFA programs for practitioners of writing and performing/visual arts respectively. And how in the world does the Doctor of Arts in mathematics at Idaho State fit into all of this? Is this a symptom (or a cause) of the Ph.D. = doctor mentality in academia?

Here is a prime example of the ridiculousness of the practical degree vs. Ph.D. being a “real” academic doctor debate.

So if you could rebuild the post-secondary degree system, and have every school follow your blueprint, how should it be?

I completely fail to see what the problem is here. Are you concerned about what various organizations are naming their degrees?

as long as you stick with bachelors (BA and BSc), masters (MA and MSc) and PhDs, I’m fine with it. We Europeans just revamped our education system into this mold (more or less) just for compatability sake!

Count me in as another who doesn’t really see the problem. Would I find it pretentious if a J.D. wants to be referred to as doctor? Yes. Would it really affect me one way or another? No.

If I could rebuild the system, studying law would not involve three years of graduate studies. It’d be a major in undergrad and perhaps a year of graduate studies.

I would also dramatically cut down the amount of required or “core” courses for humanities/social science graduate degrees, to allow greater specialization. If someone is going to graduate school, they ought to know what they want to study in fairly specific detail, and need not be told what classes to take as though they were in high school.

I’m a graduate student and the classes are already a lot more focused than they were when I was an undergraduate. I’m not sure what you mean about cutting down the required core classes in grad schools.

In general, I think the first year of grad school for social sciences tends to be a lot about taking required courses. Depending on the school, its common to have a number of required courses – and I was shocked to see that a number of notable universities require a course in writing. WRITING!! It all strikes me as a big waste of time for someone who ought to know pretty precisely what they want to study.

I did my graduate degree in Britain, where there is much more academic freedom than the common American model of “you have to take the 3 compulsory courses, and also 2 courses from column A, 1 from column B, and 3 from column C, and then 2 electives, but they can only be in the spring semester, unless they are outside your department, in which case 2 can be outside, and 1 more has to be within your department, BUT THEN you must also…”

Geebus, is this school or a Dungeons and Dragons game? If you have a charisma of 12 or greater, can you take a class you actually want to?

I’m currently pursuing my Ed.S in School Psychology. where should that fit in? (B.A<MA<Ed.S<Ph.D)

I just don’t see anything wrong with a graduate program having certain required courses. I don’t really understand why having some required courses as part of a program is a bad thing.

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Also, that has a lot more to do with departmental policy than the overall degree system. Just as there are plenty of universities that require a lot of core classes to complete a graduate degree, there are many that require very few (e.g., in my Ph.D. program – in engineering – I only had 3 required classes, out of 8 total that I had to take).