The public isn’t going to accept ANYONE being drafted. There hasn’t been a freaking draft since Vietnam and there is about zero chance there will be another one, so you are quibbling about a moot point.
I figure you are doing so because it IS a moot point, and one that’s unlikely in the extreme to ever be put to the test. There will be no more drafts of anyone in the US because the public doesn’t want a draft, and because the military doesn’t want a draft…no one wants it. However, it would be hard to talk about this subject from the perspective of reality, since women are already making inroads into combat positions in the military…and, as noted, several hundred of them have died in the line of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan without any heads exploding over it.
How are you doing on that cite I asked you for about the military recently changing their stance?
For a person, a group of people, or a political movement to aim to be perceived as not hypocritical in every step they take is absolutely unrealistic. And subjective.
Personally if feminist groups did fight to be included in the draft, I’d be annoyed and think they were being hypocritical compared to other goals and philosophies I think the movement espouses. These movements are way too nuanced and complex to pick a single issue and decided what’s hypocritical and what’s not.
The goal should be to ask if the action is consistent with their message and expressed goals. There is no contradiction in the message of the feminist movement to not peruse draft equality, especially at this time when there is no draft in place!
if my assertion is that feminsts don’t speak out against examples of men being discriminated against, i cant very well provide you with examples, can i???
1- Are you really unaware that congress changed their ruling on women in combat units?
2- I’m interested in ow feminsts and other people. like you i guess, respond to the topic. whether or not the draft is actually enacted is not the point of my question.
Men hold the majority of power in every governing body and virtually every public and private business enterprise. Men can fix whatever issues they have, just fine. If men are being discriminated against, they can call up the ACLU to help them out. The feminists are busy fighting battles against discrimination against women.
You said upthread you wanted to deal with reality. The reality is that this is a nonissue. There are way too many real issues hurting women today that need attention to waste time on this in order to pacify anti-feminist men who think women aren’t doing enough to help them.
Yes…thus my request for a cite. Please provide to fight my ignorance.
Why? IT’S A MOOT POINT AS THERE IS NO FUCKING DRAFT. How hard is that to understand? No one is going to fight for women to be drafted because THERE ISN’T A FUCKING DRAFT. The public, including ‘feminsts’ don’t want ANYONE TO BE DRAFTED, WHICH IS WHY THERE IS NOT FUCKING DRAFT.
I guess I could come up with a half a dozen more ways to say it, but let me just reiterate…THERE IS NO FUCKING DRAFT. Which part of that don’t you get? I’m asking in all seriousness because to me it doesn’t seem very complicated.
how is it hypocritical for a group of people to campaign that they are not being included in some category, a dangerous one, then be granted access, but say oh wait, we only want to do it if we want to?
If the government is going to draft X number of people there is no reason to say that all of that X should be men. It’s not like drafting women is going to increase X. So, you save (roughly) X/2 women from being drafted but you cause X/2 more men to be drafter. In my book, people are people. Drafting X men is no different from drafting X men and women.
its a new development, like within weeks or months, the status of the draft situation is still being debated. if you don’t want to talk about the issue, ok, but it makes me wonder why you work so hard to evade the point if your response is sound.
I have a problem with ANYONE, be they male, female or canine being drafted. Again, how hard is that to understand? It’s in my very first post…the draft sucks. No one wants it…not the general public, not the ‘feminst’, not the politicians, no one. The only people in my experience who fret about the draft are usually anti-war lefties during presidential elections when we are off on some international adventure…and you, of course, who are cleverly trying to make points on ‘feminst’ for supposed hypocrisy.
It’s not working btw…just a heads up. How’s it going on getting that cite?
I have explained every which way I can why I do not think it’s hypocritical for feminists to not fight to be included in the draft.
I am familiar with no legislation that is on the table to include women in the draft. If there is such legislation, then educate me.
However, as I’ve said already, even if there was, I do not think it’s hypocritical to not fight for it, for the reasons I’ve enumerated in each of my posts.
Um…Robert? You realize those articles don’t show any recent change in the military’s position on the question of expanding women in combat roles in the US, right?
well then i think your arguments are non nonsensical. failure to argue against something fairly applied that they may not want, is not mitigated by the fact that they have a long list of legitimate concerns to argue against. does not logic and standards have to be applied consistently to be correctly applied?
On January 24, 2014 the US Army announced that 33,000 positions that were previously closed to women would integrate in the upcoming month of April,[20] though it still has yet to be determined if and when women may join the US Army’s Special Operations community.
You have to look at the mission of the movement to decide if it’s being logical and consistent. The movement is working towards it’s stated goals and priorities and is focusing on those priorities with limited resources and time.
It is not hypocritical to not fight for something that is a hypothetical nonissue.
It is not hypocritical to not fight for something that is against their own best interests.
It is not hypocritical to not fight for something that would detract from significant and important issues and would waste precious resources.
It is not hypocritical to not fight for something that has plenty of other groups who could take up the fight more appropriately (legislators, ACLU, Veterans groups).
And it is not hypocritical to not fight for something that is not part of the mission of that group.
Still not about legislation for expanding the draft. That was a strawman, wasn’t it. Go ahead, we already know. You can admit it.