The thing about so-called “Trump Derangement Syndrome” is that it is far more prevalent in the strawman community than in the actual human one. If your diagnosis of TDS rests on an imagined extrapolation to exaggerated statements that the supposed TDS-sufferer never actually made, then all you’ve got is another strawman case.
A range of possibilities exists between “harmless idiot” and “fascist” that you might wish to explore. Nuance, fella.
There’s a subgenre on the Left (more popular in Britain?) which insists that whatever it doesn’t like is “fascist” or leading there. Google Boris Johnson and “fascist” and considerable drivel turns up. Even Tony Blair has sounded an alarm on “fascism”, though ironically he was attacked in the same way.
And no, the “best we can say” is not that Obama was “fascist” in terms of his relations with the news media. Reprehensible in some ways, and considerably more so than Trump for all his bluster against reporters.
This sort of ranting is par for the course on the Dope and makes little difference here. In the real world, it makes the ranters seem nutty and not worth paying attention to, while desensitizing people to what real fascism means.
Jackmannii, you are not engaging with what I am actually saying and it is getting very frustrating.
Fascism is a word with a clear meaning, not just a pejorative.
I know some people use it as a pejorative, but it’s never really been part of my vocabulary until recently where I saw that Trump and his cronies meet the definition.
In just the last couple days they’ve tried to drop the case against Flynn in an unprecedented abuse of power (there have been plenty of abuses of power recently, but this one is a new kind). There is no non-corrupt argument for doing this.
There’s nothing hyperbolic about pointing out that this kind of authoritarianism is very much part of the definition of fascism.
Also, to try to steer this discussion back on topic: the whole reason we’re discussing this is because you suggested that there are adults in the room that will override Trump’s worst impulses on distributing a vaccine.
Well, there are plenty of adults in the room protesting against Barr’s corruption of the justice department. So, problem solved then?
Again, you did not parse properly what I actually said.
I was playing devil’s advocate and saying that even if the case had been successfully made that Obama was fascist, that’s not a retort to the argument that Trump is; it’s purely a deflection.
Also, can you give an example of Obama’s “bluster” against reporters?
Trump derangement syndrome is just a tu quoque/false equivalency fallacy riff off calls of “Obama derangement syndrome” from several years ago. Arguing that our concern about Trump’s blocking any attempt at Congressional oversight, and holding military aid hostage for partisan political favors, is no more (less) valid that concerns that Obama was a secret-Muslim born in Kenya, who hated America and engaged in terrorist fist jabs with his so called wife.
This is similar to “Fake News” which was first used by journalists to describe false stories promoted by Russian propagandists saying for example that the pope endorsed Trump, and has now been hi-jacked by the right to mean anything that legitimate news organizations say that is disparaging of Trump.
It’s worth noting that Trump came into office as a uniquely antivax President, touting the idea that children were vaccinated and then poof! became autistic. Before taking office, Trump discussed establishing a '‘vaccine safety commission’'with RFK Jr. (who has compared vaccination to the Holocaust*) heading it. After much pushback, the commission idea never got off the ground, with RFK Jr. saying the White House had ‘‘cut off communications’’ and that the antivaccine community felt ‘‘betrayed’’. 
Trump has reverted to a more sane position on vaccines, promoting measles vaccination and hailing a coronavirus vaccine as a savior just down the road (the best that can be said for this projection is that it’s wildly optimistic).
So if he considered limiting a U.S.-produced vaccine to this country and our closest allies :dubious:, it’s not going to happen.
You may find this article (in which experts on fascism are asked about whether Trump is a fascist) interesting. Spoiler alert: the consensus is “no”. Money quote:
“You can be a total xenophobic racist male chauvinist bastard and still not be a fascist.” 
*another example of overblown rhetoric backfiring; even RFK Jr.'s family has gone public in rejecting his antivaccine bullshit.
I referred to Trump’s bluster against reporters. For examples of Obama’s concrete actions to muzzle the media, refer to the links I provided (from those “fascist” media outlets, the CBC and The Hill).
The researchers who discovered insulin sold the patent for $1 to the Univ. of Toronto where they worked. Most of the insulin used now is under patent , it’s made by manipulating DNA. BTW insulin is not a prescription medicine in 49 states , the exception is Indiana.
Not the first time Trump has declared something for intelligent consumption while at the same time telling the less able base to ignore masks, quarantines and yes, even vaccines. I will accept what Trump says when I see him using a mask and showing himself being vaccinated like other presidents did when vaccines were available:
IMHO the lack of example coming from the current president is deadly for many who are on the record of getting wrong, such as many Trump followers.
IMHO No, no a thousand times no. Because smallpox is gone in the wild and hopefully polio as well in a couple of years. Probably not but at least WHO got smallpox (we helped).
Yeah, on this issue specifically he’s trying to walk the line. He has stopped saying that vaccines “change” babies, but he does still talk about how we shouldn’t be giving multiple vaccines at once and that we vaccinate “too much”.
Anyway, I don’t see this as evidence that the adults in the room can control him; as I say, we can list many, many times where they have failed to do so.
Just that, for this particular issue, he considered it politically prudent to shift his rhetoric.
That article is from 2016 and illustrates exactly what I mean:
Some people use fascist as a pejorative, and so were calling Trump a fascist in those early days based on, say, his racist comments. Not me. I have never used that word as a pejorative.
I call him a fascist now, based on his actions in government. While he is very far from crushing the independence of the branches of government and the rule of law, he’s done a heck of a lot more than anyone thought was possible.
Watergate was nothing compared to *several *of the president’s actions and corruption. And Nixon cooperated with the subpeonas. Things really are uniquely bad now.
Ah, I misread your sentence. So for those allegations, you are confident in saying that they happened at Obama’s behest?