Well done, sir!!!
:eek:
Hey, tell him if he wants a second one, I’ll get it for him for only $500. And I’ll pay the shipping!
I think it was mostly due to TNR of feral cats. The place never really had all that many dogs, unless they had busted a fighting ring and then we never saw those dogs anyway, but was overrun with cats for a long time.
She is a very patient kitty. Lets me clip her nails and take stupid pictures of her. 
Oh bite me. The only time I remember being actually wrong here was when I didn’t know that a vast majority of (black? Afro-American? what is the PC term these days?) people living in the US were descended from slaves. To which I said something like “oh wow, really?” or some such. Just because you all want to believe other folks opinions & (willful?) misinterpretations doesn’t make me wrong. Especially when it comes to dogs.
When I’m wrong, I say so, but I don’t come to believe it just because you say I am.
Heh, he’s done with the private lessons he was taking from my friend. The dog had a lot of problems, so he paid $65 an hour for, I think it was, over a year to get a handle on it. And was still proud of his “rare breed”.
I’m very interested in subscribing to your debating-technique newsletter **curlcoat. ** 
Firstly, I agree with your general thesis that rescue-dogs are more likely to have physical or behavioural issues: as you say, that’s often the reason they are in the shelter in the first place. Definitely a no-brainer, right?
But then you go out on a heck of a limb, a shaky one at that.
In response to Palo Verde’s post:
(which was a response to the notion of not knowing whether your new pet is going to have problems and whether they are going to cost you a heap in vet bills)
and DSeid’s response
you reply with
(my bolding)
Now that may well be true, you may not have owned a project dog. But your personal experience doesn’t negate the original premise that every time a new dog comes into the household, pedigree or otherwise, rare breed or not, you are taking a gamble with how they will turn out. The odds may be stacked in favour of the responsibly-bred puppy, but there are no guarantees, right?
And your challenge to Miller? Of course nothing you have said is ‘wrong’. You haven’t owned a dog with issues, and had earlier qualified your attitude with:
which is what everyone else has basically said anyway.
So which is it? Is every dog a potential project or not? Leave aside the fact that you personally have been wise and lucky enough to avoid such a pet, can you guarantee with 100% certainty, that (assuming you get another dog for whatever reason) you will be so wise and lucky in the future? Or is it just far more likely that you will get a problem-free pet?
I must say, it’s awfully clever of you! As with many other threads you participate in, you set up your arguments in such a way as to be non-debatable. Yet really a bit disingenuous don’tcha think?
And you wonder why folks take issue with you! :rolleyes:
There is no absolute guarantee that any dog is going to be problem free (not that I said problem free, but…), but with a little research, one can stack those odds. That is the problem with shelter/rescue dogs - background is unknown, so you can’t even figure the odds. Then add in the high likelihood that the dog wasn’t raised well, and if a mix or one of the highly popular breeds, probably not well bred either and the odds get even worse.
When someone buys a dog from a shelter, they are taking their chances. If they get a responsibly bred puppy/dog, they aren’t. That is what I was saying, if it wasn’t clear.
Miller is a jerk and here just to harass me. I didn’t say I never owned a dog with issues, I said I haven’t owned a project dog since I can’t remember when. I have had quite a few here for board and train tho, and far more thru classes.
I don’t know where you got that quote, so I don’t know if it was what everyone else has basically said anyway or not.
No. And I have been clear on how to find those dogs.
Well, actually, I do guarantee every puppy/dog that is sold from here. And, I didn’t say problem-free, I said project dog - one that is going to have ongoing health/training/temperament issues.
If I was just interested in a pet and didn’t want a puppy (the average person who goes to a shelter), I know that I could get a young adult that has had training and health checks and established temperament, that wouldn’t be a project. But, since I do competitive dog sports I start with very well bred baby puppies, almost always born here. Something that isn’t in a shelter.
Or it could be twits like you that spend so much time working at trying to trip me up instead of just saying “hey, what you said here doesn’t track”. :rolleyes:
Did you gloss over the word ‘potential’?
Either again, you’re being very clever or being willfully obtuse.
Which is it?
How about you come up with some evidence that anything you’ve said is right?
Doesn’t just have to be on this topic.
Given that you have just plucked a word from someplace with no context, I’d say that you should be asking yourself that question. Especially since you can’t be arsed to address anything I actually said.
Well, you can go to offa.org and read up on how responsible breeding can reduce the incidence of many genetic disorders to zero (if there is a DNA test for it) or to the point it doesn’t affect quality of life. Or, you could read about how UC Davis found that mixed breeds are not less likely overall to be free of genetic health problems. Or you could look up the definition of hybrid.
Or you could just be an ass. I’ve done this for you before and you just disappear.
So, your cite that shelter dogs are at greater risk of health problems, is a study that shows that purebreed dogs are sometimes as healthy as mixed breed dogs.
This is why nobody takes you seriously.
Jesus H Christ. You told me to provide proof of anything at all, so I did. Now you want something very specific and pretend that is what I was supposed to cite?
Yes, you are an ass. And you don’t even know enough to use the correct term of purebred.
I’m sorry, that’s not entirely accurate. I didn’t ask you to provide me for evidence of anything at all - I asked you to provide evidence that something you said was right. You just provided evidence that something you said was wrong. That’s actually the exact opposite of what I asked you for.
Although I appreciate you saving me the effort of doing the work myself, so thanks for that. You’re very reliable in that way.
ETA: Oh, shit! A typo! You really got me on the run now!
OK, so I did that and you moved the goalposts.
No, nothing in those cites I provided proves anything I said was wrong. Nowhere have I said that all purebreds are more healthy than all mixed breeds, if that’s what you are on about. Are you even aware that not all mixed breeds are shelter dogs, or even random bred? From this -
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So, your cite that shelter dogs are at greater risk of health problems, is a study that shows that purebreed dogs are sometimes as healthy as mixed breed dogs.
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you are lumping shelter dogs and mixes together as if they are always the same thing.
Yeah, sure, a typo. Not the most common misspelling of that word by people who don’t know much on the subject. Sure …
Plucked a word? It was right there in my post darls, and it was THE most pertinent question of my post. I don’t know how you managed to miss it, but anyway, here ya go:
[QUOTE=kambuckta]
So which is it? Is every dog a potential project or not?
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[QUOTE=curlcoat]
Especially since you can’t be arsed to address anything I actually said.
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Are you serious?
Obviously, I didn’t miss it, since I answered it. The question was where you got the word, not the word itself.
Completely. I write a post in an attempt to answer your concerns/questions, and you come back with a snotty “Did you gloss over the word ‘potential’?”
So, unless you can stay on point and stop nitpicking, good night.
Then why did you link to an article comparing the health of purebreds and mixed breeds?
Because you said to come up with some evidence that anything I’ve said is right. So of the things that I chose that came quickly to hand, one was the fact that mixed breeds are not healthier than purebreds.
This is what you get when you are being a jerk.
So on average mixed breeds live longer, and purebreds get more of several sorts of cancers.Cancers overall even. Oh lots of diseases that are particularly high in certain breeds. And incompare and contrast of 27,254 cases:
Yes, you can have a better sense of what risks you are getting yourself in for with a purebred (cancers and various genetic disorders, shorter lifespan on average) but there is no reason to believe that or evidence to support any claim that you are getting less risk.
That’s an entirely fair point. You did, in fact, say one thing that was accurate. Good job. I didn’t think you had it in you.
double post
Can’t comment on studies done overseas since I have no experience with anything going on in Denmark.
Yes, and fewer of others. And it’s some purebreds - specific cancers to specific breeds. Not to mention this study being in one small area, which can be greatly affected by something like a local breeder not caring if they are producing a cancer as long as they can sell pups.
1963? Come on.
I didn’t open this one because this has already been addressed.
And this. I have not said that all purebreds are going to be healthier on average than a mixed breed, I’ve said two separate things. One - a responsibly bred purebred, especially one that isn’t of a breed that is wildly popular, is going to be far more likely to be healthy than any other dog. Two - unknown backgrounds make for crap shoots. This includes mixed breeds and goes double for any purchased at a shelter.
And this doesn’t even address the shaky concept of what is purebred to the average person. Like our friend with the Thai Street Dog - I’m sure he would insist to any vet he visited that the dog was a purebred.
Never any question that you are a jerk tho. And out of your depth.