No, they aren’t. We’ve had many people who actually do have that same locker room experience. They say that there is some crass stuff, but not to the level of advocating sexual assault like Trump did.
I would really appreciate it if you’d stop with this habit of finding some way of defending shitty things. It’s something you do a lot. Then you get mad at the people who get mad at you for defending the shitty thing, and it blows up and becomes stupid.
There’s nothing imaginary in his post. Everything he described, you actually did. It doesn’t appear you even actually read the OP.
Perhaps in other threads. I’ve not read those threads. I’m responding to comments made in this thread. It’s a practice I might recommend to you, if I didn’t think you were so hopeless anyway.
Sorry, but I’m going to keep doing what interests me.
But you’re mistaken in saying that I get mad at people. You seem to be projecting here based on your own personality. Myself, I mostly find it amusing. Even you, who can be very tiresome at times, have your occasional entertaining aspects.
Yeah, I would make a distinction between locker rooms in Jr/Sr high school after gym class or sports practice–where everyone is a teenage boy and we didn’t actually know anything about girls but some guys liked to brag and there was some of that, and adult locker rooms at gyms or fitness centers.
I would even say that in HS locker rooms, there was more bullying of the “weaker” males rather than talk about actually having interactions with the HS girls. Guys who were later coming into puberty got it the most (but that’s another thread).
In an adult locker room, talking about women the way Trump did is misogynistic and I’ll say I’ve rarely, if ever, heard it.
And this is what Trump appears to be defending, because he was, what, 59 years old at the time? Not even close to the same thing as teenagers bragging to their buddies.
I’d also be surprised if Trump was ever in a public locker room–he’d have trouble hiding his tiny hands and other shortcomings.
Too late to edit: I’d say Trump, just like he lives in his own fantasy world where he’s a genius businessman, lover, and whatnot–he probably believes in some fantasy locker room where this is acceptable and he’s the King of Locker Room Talk.
Ya know, because all women want him! (Whether they know it or not!)
Well the point you think people are missing (since it’s waaay too late in this thread for any of us to avoid belaboring the damned thing), is pretty simple. Trump, in the supposed relative freedom of discourse with a peer (or enough of one to prompt his “trash talking and macho boasting”), asserted the behaviors he expected or desired young Billy Bush to admire, or by which to at least be overawed and amazed. It’s the height of disingenuity to pretend, as Trump does, that these braggadocious pronouncements, within the context of his many other similar and much more public remarks, do not reflect his true beliefs or his general attitude toward women, that they are some sort of Forbidden Planet ‘monsters of the id’ which spring forth whenever the magical properties of the ‘locker room’ environment forcibly suppress whatever superego he possesses.
When someone tells you what they are and repeatedly shows you they’re something different, believe what they show you.
I don’t want to get sucked into an all-purpose defense of Trump, who is beneath contempt on many many levels, including but far from limited to the issue being discussed here.
That said, what he’s claiming is that he didn’t literally mean the things he said and that the context in which they were said would dictate that this would be understood by his listener(s).
It’s like when wrestlers (or boxers) go on about how they intend to do this or that to their opponents and possibly all sorts of other people. They’re trying to convey that they are Badass Tough Guys, but don’t expect people to take the specifics of what they’re saying as their literal intentions. So too Trump is essentially saying he was trying to project a macho image by over-the-top posturing that was not intended to be taken literally.
All that said, I couldn’t say how valid this line of argument is, or the extent to which such banter is common in “locker rooms” or circumstances such as Trump said it. But that’s his claim, anyway. My only point, again, was that people talking about their own experiences in locker rooms are discussing a completely different locker room situation than Trump was.
One look at Trump is all you need to know that his statements weren’t hyperbole.
Ewwww.
So, in your first sentence, you admit you didn’t have enough information to even consider the argument to be valid. But here you are repeating it anyways. You even admit to me that you didn’t read the threads where people actually do the thing you’re talking about, but you’re still talking about it. You made what you admit may be an invalid argument, but you are still making it.
And this completely irrational means of arguing isn’t because you’re angry and have to win no matter what. No, it just amuses you to say stupid, contradictory things.
And this, BTW, is also how you defend conservative positions. All the time. Just like you are defending what Trump said here. No, you don’t flat out say “What Trump said was okay.” But your conclusion that this sort of stuff actually is said in locker rooms has no purpose but to defend that claim. You claim that Trump is bad on this issue above this post, yet you contradict that by arguing that he’s right on this issue.
And I’m sure nothing I said in this post made you angry. We’ll see your perfectly calm and rational response to what I said, right?
Oh, and save it, BigTarders. Everything I said made sense. Learn to read.
Hey, here’s an idea.
Maybe you should sit and think about it for like a week or so. Ponder it from all sides. (Maybe you would have some chance of understanding what I wrote. Maybe.)
Then you can come back after the thread has died down and everyone else has lost interest, and raise it up again so everyone can see your important new thoughts on the subject.
Ever think of taking that approach to a thread?
That’s pretty much it.
It’s not like you’re one of the truly great unintentionally comic figures of the SDMB. The competition for that title is fierce, and you’re generally pretty tedious. But you have your moments! 
Even allowing that it is typical locker room talk (and I don’t think it is, but maybe I have the wrong friends), that doesn’t make it acceptable. If I heard men talking like that I’d think they were arseholes. Maybe they don’t act like arseholes all the time, maybe its just when they think only their friends can hear, but how you act when no one is looking or listening is a big reflection on your personality. So, this kind of banter, in my eyes, marks you as an arsehole. I don’t think an arsehole should be the President of the USA. The fact that he thinks other men saying similar things somehow excuses him just makes him more of an arsehole.
I’ve shared in other threads about this, but I’ll restate here.
4 years of Division 1 college baseball. LOTs of long bus rides, hanging around the field, hanging around the Motel 6 with other college age guys. And yes, the proverbial locker room.
Yes, there were lots of crass, crude, smutty, lewd, and just generally obnoxious conversations. Not once did anyone brag about being a sexual predator, or even joke about it. Anyone who did (as I’ve said before) would have been shunned, or (hopefully) reported to the coach.
If you try to handwave away Trump’s words as “just guys being guys”, you are not speaking for me. And, as a guy, I resent the fuck out of being lumped in with these DEPLORABLES.
The guys in my locker room all agree that Octopus is a fucking numpty who couldn’t possibly believe all the bullshit he spouts in his feeble defense of Trump and your Republicans, and as such is an insincere troll.
That sounds like typical locker room banter.
What they really mean is that octopus a fine guy who they respectfully disagree with on this particular issue.
Though they’d fight to the death for his right to maintain that position. OK, well maybe not really fight to the death - that’s also locker room banter. They would speak up a bit forcefully for his right to …
Sadly I have known and worked with people who thought the type of talk that Trump engaged in was acceptable. It was appalling and inappropriate and offensive in any venue or context. Even if I heard that kind of talk in a strip club it would be beyond the pale. My response at work was simply, what the fuck, dude? That type of talk or action has no place in our politics, or anywhere else for that matter, locker rooms and anywhere else humans congregate included.
Gaslighting does not improve the situation.
‘Typical lock room banter’ = ‘bragging’.
So when Anderson Cooper said, ‘You called what you said locker room banter. You described kissing women without consent, grabbing their genitals. That is sexual assault. You bragged that you have sexually assaulted women. Do you understand that?’ and Trump answered, ‘This was locker room talk’, Trump was saying, ‘Yeah, I was bragging.’