Well, you never know what public perception of the Scooter Libby trial might do. Oh, wait, I’m assuming that Shrubya has any ability to listen to the fucking public. Never mind.
To El Cid: doesn’t Israel have one of the best militaries in the world? I was certainly under that impression.
Please express that in different terminology. I lost interest in video games sometime between Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man. In any case, we’re talking about a scenario where the U.S., not the Israeli, Air Force (and Navy air power) attack Iran. Now, we have the best air forces in all the world, I’m sure. That doesn’t mean they’re good enough to get the job done in the way you envision. Iraq was able to put up no serious air resistance whatever. Iran is very different. We may find ourselves helpless to “fork up their infrastructure” through air power alone without going nuclear – which, I hope you will agree, is not even to be thought of.
Note that the latter set of plans has nothing to do with starting a civil war. You seem to be confusing two entirely different sets of plans – the one unrealistic, the other indefensible and, in fact, criminal.
Nothing in that article even mentions the chances of provoking a civil war in Iran.
And that link is an online announcement for a presentation given in February 2005, giving the presentation’s title but not otherwise describing its content.
Nothing in any of these provides hard figures – nor, indeed, any information at all – about assets the U.S. may have developed inside Iran for the purpose of rising against the government.
Please consider your eyes poked and your nose boinked. By yourself.
I’m sure they’ve shielded and hardened the generators just as carefully as the reactor cores. And please remember that a nuclear reactor can provide its own electricity.
Certainly, for a country its size. But none of Israel’s ground troops will ever get within sight of Iranian territory, and it is doubtful any of Israel’s airplanes could damage the target reactors (see above).
Actually, the lesson is that America is violently insane, and will attack you no matter what you do or don’t do, unless you have nukes.
The only “vise” he’s in is public opinion at home, and an attack by America is just what he needs and wants. America, being run by morons, will no doubt give him what he wants.
Even assuming the reactors in question don’t power themselves, which I doubt, they can simply shut them off.
Well, you can’t simply flip a switch, but yes, you can shove in more control rods to dampen the fission. As I understand it. I don’t know how long the process takes nowadays. Any nuclear engineers here?
Yes, I remember that crime. I also remember the death squads were supporting the established government. Subversion would require very different tactics.
And you seem to be purposefully avoiding the fact that once their infrastructure is Iraq-ized, there will be nothing but civil war. Keep that up and I’ll start accusing you of being deceptive, not just stupid.
Nukes that produce juice are sitting ducks because they gas out their chutes. Very simple, very easy. And no, you couldn’t just flip a switch and turn 3 Mile off – that was the problem, if you recall.
Why ? Blowing up their infrastructure strikes me as an excellent method of uniting Iran in hatred towards us, not disuniting them.
And very trivial; all you’d do is shut it down until they build new coolant towers; not exactly beyond Iran’s capabilities.
Three Mile Island suffered from internal mechanical failures and several design flaws, not a loss of external power. Nor was it designed to withstand enemy attack; it’s a safe bet Iran’s is. Besides which, there are a variety of nuclear plant designs, some of which are far less likely to melt down than others.
So, the idea is, we just keep destabilizing as many middle eastern countries as possible til it’s all one big free for all? And we’re the stupid ones for not seeing the brilliance of this plan. Do us all a favor. Put the Arnold Schwarzenegger movies away.
scottkris, milk and cookies keep you awake? Or has your ass somehow learned to type? Because surely your fingers are smart enough to realize that mention of Obama in relation of a chimp comment could (I repeat “could”) be interpreted by some as a racist remark, and surely if you’re a Doper, you’re not a racist. Right?
Given, however, that you’ve chosen to be a dissenting voice in this thread, I presume that you’ve got information you can share on how Shrub’s planned “surge” of troops in Iraq will result in something other than more dead American soldiers and Iraqi civilians? I, for one, am all ears, because I’ve heard nothing substantive about how this will work from this Administration other than “it has to.” Don’t think of me as some kind of bleeding heart liberal who can’t stand the thought of something being killed. I love my steak, and if you can conclusively prove (using military principles outlined by such greats as Sun Tzu, Clauswitz, Patton, von Mellathin, or any other military expert) how Shrub’s surge will work, I’ll be all for it.
Of course, I’m willing to bet that you won’t even bother to reply in a substantive measure to this post. Hell, I’ll be surprised if you do anything other than a driveby response, if you even bother to respond at all.
scottkris, milk and cookies keep you awake? Or has your ass somehow learned to type? Because surely your fingers are smart enough to realize that mention of Obama in relation of a chimp comment could (I repeat “could”) be interpreted by some as a racist remark, and surely if you’re a Doper, you’re not a racist. Right?[\QUOTE]
heh, heh
The first may have been the truth.
I really did not even read this thread when I posted, and “milk&cookies” is the only reason I even read your reply.
But YOUR reply to me shows what is on your mind.
Liberals want to find a reason to seperate people, even if they have to make up reasons…reminds me of the NBC reporter that called a black south African a “South African African-American”.
But, I digress…since your post makes no sense, and all I have to say is:
HUH???
scottkris, milk and cookies keep you awake? Or has your ass somehow learned to type? Because surely your fingers are smart enough to realize that mention of Obama in relation of a chimp comment could (I repeat “could”) be interpreted by some as a racist remark, and surely if you’re a Doper, you’re not a racist. Right?
This last part has nothing to do with what I posted earlier…I am a Libertarian .