Sin City Movie Reviews (boxed spoilers)

I just got back from seeing it and I LOVED it! I read the comics when they were first published and the wait between issues (and the longer wait between series) always seemed interminable. So I’ve been going nuts with anticipation since I first heard of this movie being made.

The actors were all great. Mickey Rourke is great as Marv. While watching the movie, I never thought of him as a character being played by an actor. That WAS Marv up there on the screen.

I wasn’t sure about Clive Owen at first, but damn he was terrific. It was odd, but cool and maybe kind of a joke, when he’s narrating one of his scenes but instead of a voice-over he’s actually speaking the words in the scene. A meta moment, perhaps?

Willis is always good, in my book, and no exception here, though some of the dialogue in this part seemed a bit stilted when heard aloud. They got the look of the Yellow Bastard down perfectly.

I was hoping they would try to interweave the stories a bit more. Not change the stories or anything, but show us a little from one, then a little from another, and so on, jumping back and forth between them. Instead, we get–for the most part–three consecutive mini-movies. (The Hartigan story is split, I know, but just once.)

Even after seeing it, though, I wasn’t sure how it would appeal to anyone who hasn’t read and loved the books. It’s good to hear some positive comments from some of you who haven’t.

About that scene at the end:

Was Josh Hartnett there to kill Alexis Bledel at the hospital? I don’t think she had a bandage on her neck in the hospital scene, and she would have needed one after Rosario Dawson bit a chunk out of it. Could it have been that this scene took place before the shootout, and he was actually the one who persuaded her to betray the other ladies?

Just a thought.

I don’t think so:

because her arm was in a sling (after being shot in the alley). I think he was definitely hired to kill her because of her betrayal.

I had no idea what it was about going into it. I’ve never heard of the graphic novels or even heard the author’s name before. I went because several friends were going to see it.

It takes a lot for a movie to make me say “well that was…bizarre” but in the end that is most of my reaction. I think a lot of it was interesting artistically, but I’m not a big fan of violence, not because I’m morally opposed to it or anything, but just because it tends to drag on and bores me (I nearly fell asleep during a lot of the fight scenes in the Matrix movies). A lot of the violence in this movie made me laugh but overall it isn’t a movie I’d see again, even if someone else paid to rent it.

I saw this tonight. I normally don’t like comic book movies that much, didn’t even really like Spiderman. This was AMAZING. Cinematically, writing, acting… just the FEEL of the movie was great. I would love to say that this is what the ‘comic book movie’ genre should aspire to… but honestly I think this transcends that a little bit, and that most of the other comic book movies wouldn’t work this way.

I LOVE the Clive Owen character. I enjoyed a lot of things about Marv and Hartigan… but Dwight was just something else.

It didn’t even bug me that there wasn’t all that much Jessica Alba!

I saw it tonight without really intending to; we were driving by a theater where it was about to start.

I liked it a lot. I’m not really a fan of Frank Miller’s (except for Batman: Year One), so I’ve never read the comics or even seen them other than the covers and an occasional panel here and there. So coming to it as a near-total outsider, I was very impressed. It looked just awesome – just about every single shot was visually interesting. I was constantly surprised at the imagery; from talking decapitated heads to tar pits and dinosaurs. I’m particularly impressed that they could make a movie with so much narration and not have it feel totally lifeless or tedious. It did seem really long, but not boring.

And the tone was perfect throughout. I tend to be kind of a delicate flower about movie violence, so I’m surprised that I enjoyed a movie with so much

decapitation, dismemberment, and hatchets to the face and groin.

It’s a tough line to walk; it has to be over-the-top enough to keep from feeling like the filmmakers are just reveling in realistic violence, but not so unrealistic as to have no impact at all. It was dark, and violent, and gory, and fatalistic, and nasty, but never strayed from the whole pulp/film noir thing and never drowned in misery and mean-spirited pointlessness.

This was the first movie I’ve seen in a long time that had me wanting to get up and leave the theatre-- about a dozen people in the packed house I saw did, and I can’t blame them.

There are several reasons.

The first-- and it’s a doozy-- is that this wasn’t a movie! It was the audiobooks versions of a comic book. The dialogue was often stilted, but the narration was deadly.
Look, narration is a tricky thing. It works-- sometimes-- in comic books, because there it’s taken as being the thoughts of a moody character. On the big screen, it’s a little trickier, and most movies that rely on narration fail. It’s one of my warning signs that the movie I’m about to watch is going to suck…

Movies are designed for action and dialogue, and if you have to rely heavily on narration, it’s probably because you’re failing in the directing and editing departments. There were many, many times I was watching this movie where I felt like saying “Shut up idiot, I can see what you’re doing, you don’t need to tell me too!”

When you change the medium, you have to change the way you tell the story, and this film didn’t. Thumbs down for that.

Second goof: Alexis Bledel (Becky the dayshift prostitute). I can deal with a prostitute who sounds like she’s playing hooky from finishing school, but there’s something seriously wrong when she delivers a line like “I couldn’t never have done it…” and her enunciation is so crisp it belongs next to the lettuce. Either keep the Miss Prim act and change the dialog, or give her some direction so she’s speaking like a gutter kid.

On the other hand, the visual element of Sin City was great. I loved the stylized film noir look, and it was fun to kick back and watch. But man, I sincerely wish the rest of the movie had been as tight.

As for the Josh Hartnet/Alexis Bledel scene in the comic book, Becky is shot in the alleyway along with the Minuteman and the rest of 'em. The girls of Oldtown take care of their own

Oh my god! That was one of the best movies that I’ve seen in a looooong while.

Just saw it with a friend, and I loved it. Great use of violence as a tool. The humour was welcoe as well, I esp. liked the guy with the arrow.

I also thought it was fantastic. I’ve never read (or, really, heard of) any of the source material, and I came out of that movie with a feeling that I TOTALLY know what they’re like, the art style, the writing style, the type of story they tell, etc. Which I think testifies to the adaptation.

So, what character did Rutger Hauer play?

And what ended up happening to

senator Roark… Marv killed his brother and Hartigan killed his son, but I guess he himself survived?

One other question:


So, Hartigan saves this 11-year-old girl, and then is thrown in jail, and he starts getting letters in the handwriting of an 11-year-old girl, signed “Cordelia”, and these powerful evil men somehow don’t figure out who’s writing them? Doesn’t that just make no sense? And is there a series of books about a girl detective named “Cordelia”?

Rutger played the religious Roark.

and as for what’s in Max’s spoiler powerful evil men knew he was getting letters from Nancy. They just couldn’t figure out where she mailed them from because they’re stupid

I enjoyed the visual style, the acting was very good, the story itself was pretty good. But the dialogue was terrible, the voice-over natrration was really poor, stylistically as well. VOiceover just doesn’t usually work and here it defintiely didn’t work, it was too obviously a comic book style writing, but for a movie it is far too expositional. One rule of movie making…show don’t tell. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned how it was too muc like the comic book and I agree. Movies are a different medium and require different things to work.

I would recommend the movie, however.

Well, leave it to me to be the voice of dissension. Not that I think it’s a bad movie or poorly-made (it’s neither), but it was a very frustrating one.

The best analogy I could think of is when you go to a Translation Engine, and pop in an English phrase into, say, German. Then you take the German phrase it gave you, and pop that back in verbatim, back into English. The result is a broken version of what you originally inputted–maybe getting the general gist right, but losing some of the syntax and meaning in the process.

I’m only slightly familiar with Miller’s work, but it’s very clear that he takes a cinematic approach to a static format. His style is to effectively translate noir cinematic conventions into a new medium, and it works. But that’s because graphic novels aren’t movies, and vice versa. From all accounts, RR was quite literalist in translating every graphic novel frame into its cinematic equivalent, and I found this slavish devotion exhausting and, to be honest, boring.

John Alton was the greatest noir cinematographer the movies have ever known. But if you watch a film like The Big Combo or Raw Deal or He Walked By Night, you’ll note that while every shot is expertly photographed, not every shot is "noir"ish, nor is every shot stunningly gorgeous or quirkily angular. To do so is to subjugate the story, and fundamentally, noirs should be about the story and the tone–accentuated by the visuals, not overwhelmed by then.

RR clearly does not understand this, or maybe he just doesn’t care, but there’s something oppressive about every shot being stunning and striking and modish. This is equally true with “beautiful” cinematography, where every shot is sun-dappled and picturesque and lovely (see Elvira Madigan or Heaven’s Gate). In both instances, the movies become less about the characters and the story and more about the look. Sure it’s cool and hip and different, but it also bleaches the film of any meaning or emotion.

A good point of comparison is the recent Sky Captain, which was made by similar methods. And while there’s no question that the acting was better in Sin City and the stories were more original, I had fun (in an admittedly shallow way) in Sky Captain because it felt like the visuals (no matter how whiz-bang they were) were still in service of the story, while I always felt the exact opposite with the RR film. And I’m a much bigger aficianado of noirs than Buck Rogers-style adventures, so I had more I could relate to in this film.

But I didn’t care about anyone, no matter how well-acted the characters were (though there are some unfortunate exceptions, coughMichael Madsencough). This was because I was constantly being pulled out of the movie, so rigorous it was in trying to impress me. Well, the film had many moments that impressed me, but even more that I was overwhelmingly indifferent to. Many more.

Another translation problem is the dialogue. Things that read well on the page can sound stupid or self-conscious when spoken out loud, and in Sin City, there was a high percentage of eye-rolling, faux-hardboiled, tough guy talk that also kept pulling me out of the film–not as much as I was afraid of, but enough, again, to be an ever-present irritant. This is how people remember the noirs sounding like, but it’s not how most of them really did. I’m not the first person to be reminded of Guy Noir by Garrison Keillor, but his patter is for paradic effect, whereas we were supposed to be taking this completely straight (or worse, as a meta-wink to the audience. Ugh!)

I think the most interesting exception is the scene that QT directed. If you note that one scene, the color scheme is more interesting than in the rest of the film–fluid and hallucinatory and, I’m betting, not so literalist as the between-the-lines color we see everywhere else. I’m also betting QT made this scene his own, and didn’t defer to Miller the way the rest of the film does. I think Pulp Fiction is probably the most overrated movie in the last quarter-century, but QT takes pulp stories and noir conventions, and then takes complete ownership of them, deferring to no one. And while it’s nowhere as gorgeous nor as striking as Sin City (though it’s got a similar story construction), it’s a much better film.

That being said, there were quite a few memorable or clever moments, and some inspired casting. And the stories were fun, although they didn’t resonate with me beyond the cineplex parking lot (heck, I rented Cellular over the weekend, and that taut, underrated economical thriller stuck with me more). And Carla Gugino is a stone-cold hottie (which has been obvious since at least her appearance in what continues to be RR’s best film, the inspired Spy Kids).

I was quite looking forward to this and really wished it had been better. Rodriguez is a genuinely talented guy, so I hope this was just an itch he had to scratch, and he applies his talent to a more interesting, less showy project–we’ll see how Shark Boy & Lava Girl in 3D is, later this year…

If Sin City accomplishes anything beyond being an amazing film, I hope that it’s making clear that this statement is the functional equivalent of “I don’t like adapted screenplays much.” Comics aren’t a genre, they’re a medium. It’s easy to get confused because the most popular comics are all dominated by one genre, but when you hold up this, Ghost World and American Splendor you’ve got to realize that Spider-Man and Batman comics are not all comics.

–Cliffy

Well said, Sir.

And don’t forget Road to Perdition.

I “liked” it as well. I really don’t like witnessing torture and pain on screen, (or in person BTW) so at times I found myself trying to look entertained when I was really in anguish at some ofthe things that were over the top, but in a way I can respect how it is so close to the comic and not some directors personal interpretation of it.

When I see it again I look most forward to watching any scene with Elijah wood’s character. See, that was fugged up. In a very interesting and enjoyable way. The glasses, the sweater the way he moved. Not just his silence but the manor in which he stepped. I thought it was too cool how the ‘tough as nails’ Merv, who could not be more impossible to take down was no match 1 on 1 for this little tiny Elijah Wood character.

Absolutely facinating. Can’t wait to see that again.

Sin City turned out to be everything I hoped it to be. I adored it. 10/10, and I’ll be buying the DVD.

Dwight’s The Big Fat Kill was my favorite segment. It had it all: Action, great lines, suspense, and splendid sexy women marching around with little to no clothing. Plus, you gotta love the early twentieth century New York dialect.

The movie is extremely faithfull to the graphic novels from what little I’ve read. If you’ve watched the movie, you’re not missing much by skipping the graphic novels in terms of story, but it is reccomended you browse through them for the kickass art. The pictures of Marv walking through the rain in The Hard Goodbye and then kneeling in front of a statue are esspecialy cool.

Never read the comics, didn’t really know anything about it except that it was ‘violent and disturbing’. I am not generally allowed to see scary movies because I spend too much time under the bed whimpering afterwards, but violence is usually okay.

I thought it was very well done, and interesting. Some of the dialogue was stilted, but I was impressed with what I took to be faithfulness to the source material. Most of the violence didn’t bother me, although I was sort of tired of guys getting shot or axed in the groin by the end. Yellow Bastard (an apt name- I assume that’s what he was called in the book) bothered me. I wasn’t sure if he ws real at first, and that squicked me out. He looked a little like Transition Gollum, from ROTK.

I’m going to go hide under the bed now. It was a little too dark for me.