Sin City Movie Reviews (boxed spoilers)

Let’s get a couple of quotes in this thread. . .

(roughly)

Marv : I’m killing my way to the truth.

Hartigan: I kept beating him until I was just pounding bits of wet bone into the floorboards.

That’s just superb. I never read the comics. I assume some of that stuff comes from them.

What a great movie. The angles, the lights, the storylines, the characters, the jokes. Wow, I could have watched another hour of it.

You can’t even really call it a violent movie. The violence IS the movie.

All the characters were kind of shitty, but the motivations were all consistent. I liked Marv the best. Maybe could have split his story up into the beginning and the end, and left Hartigan’s story intact.

One complaint: I thought Del Toro’s voice and Marv’s voice were too similar. For a couple minutes, I was thinking, “Is that supposed to be the same guy but younger?” The similar noses didnt’ help. They cut to Del Toro right after the end of Marv’s story, so I thought maybe it was a flashback or something.

I give it an A. I’m a guy who is very selective when it comes to buying DVDs (I have like 6), and I fully expect to buy this when it comes out.

To Max The Vool

She said, basically, “I’ll call myself cordelia because that’s the name of a detective in some books I read.” It’s not a “girl” detective, but it is a woman. It’s the main character in the novels by PD James.

On more thing to add. . .

I appreciate when a movie actually has nudity nowadays. I’m no perv sitting there ogling the women, but once upon a time, directors werent’ afraid to have a lot of nudity.

In a violent, macho movie like this, I think I would have noticed a lack of nudity.

I saw it last night. Very cool! But I have one question:

What was the yellow fluid the Yellow guy injected into Jessica Alba? Also I noticed that Jessica Alba didn’t have any marks on her back after getting whipped. I also think when Mickey Rourke dropped off the blond at jessica Alba’s it would have been the same night she got whipped. So I would assume she would be in a bit of pain.

MtM

Saw this last night, really loved it. I’ve never read the comics but I plan to take them out from the library as soon as they’re available. I usually don’t like a lot of needless violence, but the violence here wasn’t needless; I didn’t think any of it was overdone and it all worked within the context of the story. I liked the narration; to me it gave the film humanity, since everything was filtered through the first person. If it hadn’t been written in that way, I would have thought the violence was overdone (like I do in many of Tarantino’s movies), but here it made every action relatable to the inner thoughts of each character.

Also, I really loved the color scheme, the sharp black and white mixed with those traces of color, and the white blood, and the other little color details (like when the Old Town women are standing on the rooftops and the sky slowly turns red). This film doesn’t look like any other movie I’ve seen before. And again, it totally seemed to fit the story.

One technical question:Does the comic book explain how they were able to reattach the Yellow Bastard’s arm, ear, and genitals? Why did it turn him yellow? And did anyone else think he looked a little like a Ferlengi?

I had the exact same problem and thought process.

I didn’t like the white blood. Looked too much like bird droppings.

Sorry it took a couple of days to get back to this. You’re very right. I was obviously generalizing and referring to the recent set of superhero-heavy movies that we’ve been inundated with over the last year, and the fact that they are mostly what dominates the medium when I leaf through the shelves in the bookstore as I pass by. Though I don’t particularly favor the medium, I would be lying if I didn’t say this movie and particularly this thread didn’t make me just a little more curious about what’s out there and is as far from the traditional Marvel/DC worlds as possible within the medium.

You made me think a little more today than I would have otherwise. Thank you for that :slight_smile:

Absolutely awesome. I loved the way color was used, when it was used. Goldie’s hair, and her bed that looked exactly like a box of Valentine candy, were heartbreaking. I wonder why, though, Becky’s eyes were blue in the scene where she confesses?

Another thing I wonder about was the girl who played the young Nancy. I wonder to what extent they shot “around” her in the scene on the dock, and how she was guided through her speech to Hartigan in the hospital. I kept flashing on the O-Ren’s-origins scene in the first Kill Bill, and Tarentino’s decision to animate it because he felt there was no way he could put a real kid in that scene and live with himself afterwards.

Another thing I noticed was that, although the audience, when I saw it, was fairly gender-balanced, most of the cries of revulsion were coming from men!

Weren’t her eyes blue in all of her scenes? I thought they were.

D’oh!

Saw this today. I had to cover a lot of inappropriate laughter. I liked because it was so over the top, rather than despite it. I’m surprised people were affected by the violence. I’m one of those cry at every movie, faint at blood types, and I was fine.

People got shot and went flying across the room. Marv got run over with a car what, four times? People bled white. That just doesn’t read as gore to me. Really, if it had all been realistic rather than stylized, I think I would have hated the movie.

I was supremely delighted by Elijah Wood’s character. In fact, when I saw his name in the opening credits I laughed. What? Elijah Wood in this sort of movie? It was great.

I enjoyed it as a few hours of intense violent action with a fresh, unpredictable story. I didn’t think it was a masterpiece or anything but it was pretty entertaining. It kind of reminded me of Leone’s spaghetti westerns in that it took place in an unreal abstract world where great warriors met each other in joyful battle and us normal people are just there as part of the stage.

I think making it ultra-faithful to the books was a mistake. Miller’s hypernoir monologs don’t really work in film, IMO. They should have been edited. The look was great though, especially the scene in the tar pits. You definitely have to take the universe of the film as pure comic book fantasy though otherwise you’ll ask questions like:

How did all those prostitutes get military/martial arts training, and why were they still prostituting themselves instead of robbing banks or something? Why did Miho train to such a level of skill and then decide to become a hooker?

Why didn’t the opposition party make hay out of Sen. Roark’s family’s proclivities? How does a Senator control anything in a city when he spends most of his time in D.C.?

How could all those people casually jump from heights which should have broken many bones?

I’m new here, hope I got the spoiler technique down… here’s a review i posted on another board a short while back… Spoilers, below,… hopefully I got the spoiler tags right,…

Frank Miller’s Sin City (2005).

I very much want Robt. Rodrieguez and Frank Miller’s film adaptation of Sin City to be a rousing critical and financial success, first because I’ve been a fan of Frank Miller’s work since my friends were giving pause at the powerful storytelling hinted at in this “crude Gil Kane imitator’s” work way back when he first started working on Spiderman and Daredevil stories for Marvel, and second, because I believed a visually unique, critically acclaimed comic book based movie would be good for all of us, comic book consumers and producers, with ambitions beyond the four color world. I wanted to be able to dance out of that theatre last night, able to recommend this movie wholeheartedly to the world.

I’m sorry to say, in good conscience, on a scale from one to a hundred, I could only give it a 70%. The reasons are mixed. They have to do with some casting choices, particularly of women’s roles (strangely, while most of the women are really good in small roles, the actresses in three important parts failed to convince) the treatment of violence and sex in the story, and sadly the overall faithfulness of the adaptation, which I prayed would be the film’s strongest selling point. These are all small criticisms, but taken together, they had the cumulative effect of hurting the total package as a whole. I will try to address this treatment by treatment, as no less than four (actually five) of Frank Miller’s stories were adapted in this anthology. [ul]Sin City: the Hard Goodbye was by far the most sucessful of the three adaptations of Miller’s longer stories recounted here. This is owed in large part to the strength of Mickey Rourke’s Marv. While I agreed with a good friend of mine, Boogie Down Adam, that Michael Rooker could’ve been a great Marv, after seeing Mickey Rourke’s delivery, I have to say, he “owns” Marv herein after. Rourke does a great job here of conveying both Marv’s grim humor, and the characters ferocious Frankenstein’s Monster-like movements and gestures. He saved this sequence, no question.

That said, I had quibbles with the staging of some scenes, and the acting of some of the women players in others. For instance, the short version of Marv’s extended moment of near despair in the rain, when he mulls over the enormity of his task, magnified by the knowledge of exactly who his primary target is, should have been longer, as it was in the original comic book treatment. Likewise, Elijah Wood’s Kevin (no fault of the actor) wasn’t on screen long enough in any sequence to come off as threatening as he should. Here we could’ve used an added scene, however gruesome, of Kevin “at work, at play”, or at dinner. Carla Guigno Lucillle whose traumatized monologue, about what she endured at Kevin’s hands (and the heads on the wall), failed to get the audience properly terrified at Kevin and his awful potential.

The same could be said of Jaime King’s Goldie/Wendy. King is perfectly fine at emboding Wendy’s anger, but despite great lighting, doesn’t convey either sisters overpowering sexuality. We need to see her as Marv see’s her: a god send to the damned. (At the risk of sounding like an utter horndog, we needed to see an longer sex scene earlier on, in Marv’s memories of his night with Goldie, not to see more of her “in action” but more of Marv’s facial expressions - we never really feel his need - something we need to see, to understand his decision to bring down the Power in Basin City, no matter what might bar his way). This is compounded by the flat, meekness of much of King’s delivery of what little (but critical) dialogue she had. She had to convince us of her rage, and her gratitude later on. As it was, her lines just fell flat.

Speaking of lines, throughout all four stories fully presented here, there were lines of dialogue, however well placed in the comic book original, were simply unnecessary in the kenetic medium of film, and landed like bricks in the middle of their scenes, because they bespoke the obvious, too plainly and too blandly, when transferred to the screen.

While it was, all-around, the best acted of the four full stories recounted in Sin City (almost everyone was very, very good in thier roles here - many - Brittany Murphy as Stephanie, Rosario Dawson as Gail, Alexis Bledel as Becky, among others - were outstanding in small roles), there were four big problems with the The Big Fat Kill that drastically lessened the impact of the story at hand. First off, we needed another added scene here, something that explained in cinematic shorthand, just what Clive Owen’s Dwight owes Gail and the Women of Old Town. Without it, Owen’s convincing Dwight comes off as a bit of a noble loon, spoiling for a bloody, awful fight, almost without reason. It just comes off as strange, however threatening Benicio Del Toro’s** Jack Rafferty **and Crew. (No wonder the NYTimes called Dwight a psychopath). Compounding that was the staging of the scene where Dwight and Women of Old Town contemplate the price of failure. I really do think we needed to see a graphic montage of past suffering, the hell the women suffered before they won thier tenuous freedom: we had to be convinced of the desperation of thier cause, and the value they represented, as an exploitable resource to the Basin City Mafia.

Another surprising weakness was the casting of Devon Aoki as Miho. I have read elsewhere that she is a fine actress (I haven’t seen her in anything as yet), and I would like to be supportive. Miho is essentially, a minature engine of destruction. An actress playing Miho doesn’t have to be buff, but she should be toned, and move with the ferocious feral grace of an Angela Mao (a big kung fu movie star of the seventies). Rodrieguez should have cast one of the younger up and coming, highly trained Hong Kong starlets or a graduate of the same Chinese academy that gave us Zhang Ziyi for this role. We have to believe Miho is a threat just by looking at her. Aoki just doesn’t move well enough in action, nor look lean and mean enough, to convince here. Her form and figure simply shows too much baby fat to be convincing in this role, and she just doesn’t move right. This is sad, 'cause given the hype, this could’ve been a breakout role for her.

Finally, I felt let down by the staging of the slaughter that closes this segment. As with the incidental lines referred to above, this is a case where Rodriguez’s loyalty to Miller’s original vision worked against the story. The extreme stylization of these shots, possibly pushed to lessen the impact of potential gore, and salve, however slightly, the sensitivities of some in the audience, dulled the impact of this scene. Like the need for a greater sense of Dwight, Gail and the Women of Old Town’s desperate need to destroy the evidence of Jack Rafferty’s death, this scene should have been pushed to the dramatic hilt, and gone far over the top, like Marv’s bloody rampage for clues in The Hard Goodbye. It should have been exhausting, bloody, and terribly real at moments, more akin to the long gun battle Sam Peckinpah ended The Wild Bunch than the puppet like bullet ballet we saw here. We literally needed to see [spolier]Manute and the Mobsters cut to ribbons here, gashes, blood, guts and all, with closeups of the Women (not only Gail and Dwight) howling in bloodthirsty joy. As it was, someone really should have spent more time rehersing the women posted on he rooftops in how to hold their weapons more convincingly, bracing the weapons on thier bodies. Further, here of all places, we need to see RED spilled blood, and not the stylized white paint we saw in it’s place. [/spoiler]This should have come off as an Godawful holocaust (and perhaps visual echoes of the Spartan’s slaughter of the Persians at Thermopylae to push the point.) As it was, it didn’t - and too many people in the audience behind me tittered and giggled in response.

Finally we come to my favorite of Frank Miller’s Sin City tales, That Yellow Bastard. Here we run into another case where Bruce Willis’, Miller’s or Rodriguez’s stylistinc choices took away from the final film. First off, there was Willis (or someone’s choice to have Willis) so strongly emulate Humphrey Bogart’s performance of film noir cops, detectives and gangsters of sixty years ago. While I have to say it was the finest imitation of Bogart’s mannerisms, delivery and style that I have ever scene, unlike the way that Rourke imitated Karloff’s Frankenstein monster, instead of serving the film (as Rourke’s did), Willis created an iconic hero, whose style was well past it’s period of currency. We needed a much more naturalistic, contemporary performance here, to engage the audiences sympathy more fully. Willis can be a great actor (I’ve heard he’s amazing in Hostage, but paradoxically his great skill works against him here.

Compounding matters was Nicky Stahl’s make up, when he returns as the far too well connected serieal rapist. The look was just too distracting, and made it very hard to view The Yellow Bastard as the threat he’s intended to be, instead of merely freakish. We should have been terrorized from the moment he manages to get Nancy away from Hartigan, instead we never really see him as a real threat, not until he’s whipping Nancy in the barn, a scene that likewise should have been pushed. We simply never were scared enough for her safety to care, something very necessary to lend Hartigan’s sacrifice meaningful at this sequences end.

Finally, at the risk of overstating the case, however fine a hip-hop style performer, Jessica Alba’s, (an actress I very much want to like) delivery of key lines falls as flat as Jaime King’s in the Marv sequence. The problem is, her role is ten times more important here. Alba needed to make us believe in Nancy’s adolescent crush/love for Hartigan, … in the scenes she tries to seduce the man she’s been building up in her memory to a near demi-God of salvation and safety, and later, when she’s screaming defiantly at Stahls’ Yellow Bastard. Like King, she was fine physically (I still maintain she should’ve been given an extended dance sequence in which to shine), but the moment she opened her mouth, her delivery failed Hartigan’s story, and the film as a whole.

My problems with The Customer is Always Right. had to do with casting. For those familiar with the Colonel (called the Salesmen in the credits), and his role in this story, but more importantly, in the Blue Eyes stories to follow. Josh Harnett may be a very good actor (I am totally unfamiliar with his other work on the screen), but I could not help but feel he is far too young for the part. He could be one of the Colonel’s men, someone who seduces female targets before killing them. Not only must the Colonel come off as easy on the eyes for the women in Miller’s world, or for the women he recruits and trains for his bloody, brutal business; the man should come off as an experienced (and older) assassin, with possibly a hint of military experience. (Think Edward Fox.) Here I would have preferred Clive Owen, anyone that comes off as having a few years under his belt on the battlefields, overt or covert, of the world. (Actually, if Harnett is a good actor, I would have switched the two actors, having one play the others role… though the role of the Colonel, may well have been too small for Owen - an actor I like very much, see: Croupier - at this point in his career.)

The same critique applies to the casting of the Customer,: Marley Shelton doesn’t have the years (or sadly, possibly the skill) to easily, and quickly convey the crazed world weariness and desperation this short-lived character should embody. “The Woman in Red, at the End of Her Tether”, should convince us at first glance that there’s a lifetime of soul-destroying compromise packed into her luscious frame, and death’s waiting for her just around the corner, and she knows it. Hiring the Colonel should be an act of mercy (first and foremost for herself), even sacrifice (foreshadowing Hartigan’s) and I got no sense of that here. (Think Susan Hayward, in I Want to Live!).

As for Alexis Bledel, who plays Becky… the Betrayer, soon to become Blue Eyes, if Sin City does well enough for a sequel to be “greenlit”, ,… I thought her perfectly cast as Becky, but she doesn’t convey the madness that should be obvious, dancing inside those blue eyes of hers. (Think “Crazy, if Sexy, Bitch”.) Well see how radically she’s changed in the sequel, assuming Sin City makes enough money in the weekends to come.
[/ul]I realize I’ve been harsh as all hell in my review above. It’s a result in my deep wish that this would be the film to break the wave of negative criticism I’ve seen written about comic book based films to date, and re-energive the faithful adaptation of more provocative source material. I wish I could say this was the case, and I still hope the adaptation(s) make piles of money, but it simply isn’t the success I’d hoped for.

Admittedly I’ve drawn fire for this review elsewhere: friends argued it betrayed too great a familiarity with the source material: thoughts folks?

Well that’s a Hell of a first post :D. Welcome, and I look forward to reading that… later :D.

I saw this movie this weekend. Never read the comics, never even knew they existed. I thought it was a pretty fun movie. Liked the stylization and the fact that they said this is going to be ‘R’ rated, let’s make it a movie geared for adults. Very good idea. Though if it wasn’t stylized (and red blood throughout), it may have gotten an NC-17. Good fun though :D.

Another clue to this is the fact that when Marv heads out to the farm, the municipal sign is riddled with bullet holes. The “B” and the “A” have been shot up, and the sign reads"Sin City."

When Hardigan drives by the same sign, trailing Nancy’s “heap”, the sign is pristine and still reads “Basin City”. The camera lingers on the sign in both shots, practically flashing big neon arrows to it that read; “THIS IS SIGNIFICANT”.

Pros:

Visual style - it was like watching a live action comic book. If that makes any sense.
Acting/Costumes/Makeup - Except for Bruce Willis, I never “thought of” any of the characters as the actors themselves (there’s “the big guy” and “the creepy kid” and “the head ho.”) Their characterizations, costumes, and looks made the characters come out into their own. And Willis is pretty awesome anyway, so I didn’t mind his familiar face.

Cons:

Lord, this film was a mess. Not knowing a thing about the comic going in, three days after seeing it I’m still not at all sure what the hell happened, and judging from what I’ve seen here and other places, I’m not the only one. I spent too much of the film trying to see how the various stories tied together, and, at points, I wasn’t too sure if what I was seeing was related to what went on 10 minutes before. If you asked me to recount the plot it would go something like this:

[spoiler]"Bruce Willis got shot. Then there’s this creepy rich kid who happens to be a psychopath and tortures women. He gets shot in the gnads and then turns into this yellow demon who gets shot in the gnads again. In between the gnad shots, a lot of shit happens that isn’t explained very well, but is cool to look at. Somewhere near the end, Bruce Willis comes back onto the scene, tells a story about a 10 year old who became a Hooker with a Heart of Gold, she gets in trouble, and… wait, I think this is where the yellow demon guy gets shot in the gnads. Yeah, that’s it! Right? Anyway, the movie ends and that’s that.

Shit, I forgot. There’s this story about these hookers who don’t have any pimps. How the hell that tied in with Willis, the 10 year-old hooker, or Degnadded Demon Boy is beyond my powers of comprehension."[/spoiler]

Go see it. Sit back and enjoy it. But unless you’re familiar with the source material, don’t expect coherency.

Btw, fellow Doper ISiddiqui and I saw the film together in Atlanta whilst I was on a business trip. Since I have a three year old at home, it was nice seeing a film without a singing bear in it for a change! :smiley:

I have never read the Sin City comics, I’ve never heard of Frank Miller, but I always wanted to buy the movie rights to Vachss’s Burke mysteries and cast Bruce Willis as the lead. They stole my idea, and I want millions in retribution.

Gotta disagree with that. I saw it with four friends opening night. None of us were familiar with the comics. I’d flipped through a few at the bookstore, enough to recognize the distinctive style being recreated on the screen, but I had no familiarity at all with the plot or the characters. No one else I was with had ever even seen the comics before. And none of us had any trouble following the plot. It’s no more confusing or difficult to follow than Pulp Fiction’s looping, recursive plot was ten years ago. Easier, really, because there are only three stories that are out of chronological order relative to each other, but internally have a straight forward timeline of events.

I’m with you, Miller. I never read any of the comics, but the plot made perfect sense to me. I had heard the complaint that it was hard to follow, but after I actually saw it, I thought; “What movie were those people seeing, 'cause it sure as hell wasn’t Sin City.”