At this point I’m going to allow the moderators to address claims that the male moderators did nothing and therefore cannot be trusted.
How about they stop assigning malice to me? I’ve been told I’m a virgin who will never get laid (ha!), that I’m tone deaf, that I’m attacking people, that I’m an angry, screaming white man. Because these people don’t like being told that they’re responsible for their own reactions and taking their own steps to avoid the man’s posts. Because I’ve pointed out that there are women in this thread who don’t find his posts as offensive as others. Because while I’ve pointed out that there are ways individually and through board protocol to deal with these posts? Is that tone deaf? Because I’ve agreed that an NSFW tag would be a reasonable way of dealing with this but haven’t bowed granted every aspect of the demanded sympathy and support?
What the fuck do you think ALL MEN are supposed to do here? Say “Oh gosh yes, he’s skeevy and he should be kicked off the board”? Say “Yes, it’s horrible that you have to keep reading this man’s posts!”? Say “Wow yeah. Those male moderators. Buncha bastards they are!”? You don’t get everything you want. But if you insist that people are evil if they don’t give you everything and accept your every feelings and assertions without disagreement, you make your allies your enemies. You become an extremist. Good Luck With That.
Obviously, the mods are able to and on occasion do edit titles.
If a thread is NSFW, it’s hard to see the problem with a mod labeling it as such. But what happens if it is safe for work, but is offensive to some? I have an idea. I don’t really like it in some ways. I welcome suggested improvements.
MPAA’s ratings are PG, PG-13, R and NC-17. PMRC’s is qualitative: [INDENT][INDENT] X “Profane or sexually explicit”
V “Violent”
D/A “Drug/Alcohol use”
O “Occult” [/INDENT][/INDENT] So Skald’s latest might be rated PG-13, while others might be rated [PG-13,X,V]. I hope we could dispense with the last 2 PMRC categories.
ETA: My first modification would be to substitute in “Sexual Content”, for “Profane or sexually explicit”. But there might be better frameworks. I wanted to start with something off the shelf.
I made the second statement there because LHoD was having a conniption about ‘just who said banning?’ when I used that word in talking about the usual path of moderation.
I would naturally expect that if it became a board requirement to label such posts as NSFW, then they would be subject to the usual moderation, up to and including banning the poster for repeated offenses or refusal to comply.
If the moderators want to take that duty upon themselves, great, but I would expect most of the time that would be dependent on people reporting the posts so that they’re aware of the content. They can’t and obviously don’t read everything.
Implying that their lack of action on something must be due to sexism rather than a disagreement with the premise of the report is laughable and in itself, sexist, especially when the male members of the moderation team are specifically accused of it.
So, I do have thoughts about your earlier post, SmartAleq. But I’m finding that this combination of thoughtful conversation and vicious shitflinging isn’t something I’m competent at balancing. And it’s not like the world’s gonna suffer the absence of my thoughts. So, god willing, I’m out.
Here’s my position on this in a single post, consistent with what I’ve said;
If they bother you, report them.
If the mods don’t respond, it’s because they disagree with you, not malice or sexism.
Skald is not violating any board rules.
If you keep reading them, it’s your own damned fault, you should stop doing so.
If you’re still reading them 12+ years after first noticing the problem, you’re a fucking moron and it is your fault that you’re still reading his posts, not his.
Please note that not all women agree with you.
Men disagreeing with you is neither sexism nor malice.
People have the right to disagree with you without being your enemy.
You don’t have the right to demand that only people who agree with you can respond.
People can like Skald for reasons that have nothing to do with this issue.
And that has fuck all to do with this issue.
It is perfectly fine if you don’t like him.
Last summer you told the women on these boards just how much you hate them. Why do you think no one responds to your trollery? Unless you have some deep dark secrets that keep you locked in your basement and constantly on message boards, you could be out there having a life.
You know, like The Shape of Water.
This is the fourth time you’ve popped in with your bullshit, and when asked to cite it, you disappear for 4 days. You are a total fucking moron. You still insist I troll the board too? You had 3 chances to provide cites for that claim and you - - - disappeared for 4 or 5 days each time instead. You are a coward mad sir derp. A total coward.
If I can interject reality into this, I started the Pit thread that followed. Morgenstern may have stepped back to cool down, but he also came back, apologized and has been very supportive of women on the board since then. There’s a lesson there for some of you, if you care to ponder it.
Look at it this way: remember when Argent Towers was constantly going around talking about the book Hogg, and finally reccomended it to a thirteen-year-old, going so far as to tell him to read it, even though his parents wouldn’t let him? The whole Skald thing is kinda like that.
So someone posting explicit descriptions of rape is told “not to read it”, even though sometimes it’s just dropped in, but swearing is offensive because your kids might see it? Yeah, not our problem.
I’d worry more about any kids seeing rape scenarios than the occassional four-letter-word. You have strange priorities. (Besides, perhaps you shouldn’t be reading a forum that explicitly encourages swearing when your kids are around. Either way, it’s not up to us to babysit your kids)
Apparently this thread has devolved into Misandry where men are the villains who are ‘tone deaf’ for having opinions that differ from the feelings of some of the women here.
Tone deaf implies that the other side isn’t ignorant, rather they will never understand. It is a dismissive tone, also implying that the other person has no right to express an opinion. You know what? No one will ever understand you. No one has the same experiential context, beliefs or choices, and no one can read your goddamned mind. Blaming or insulting others for this is foolish and just an excuse for anger and closing yourself off. Blaming men specifically and in general is misandry. We’re all human here, not villainous men who can’t understand (and therefore should be silent) and virtuous women whose feelings are always correct.
I absolutely understand if you have a problem with things in the scenarios that have been mentioned. You have every right to feel however you feel about this. But no one is forcing you to read them either. Hell, I got to the end of the first paragraph of the last one and decided it wasn’t for me. I mentioned my issues with torture, which are probably related to my history of being physically abused. I want to jump through the screen and KILL those nasty people. It triggers me and I need to step away, not watch it, not think about it. But I also know that other people don’t have these issues and I don’t demand that everyone agree with my feelings or call them ‘tone deaf’ if they don’t fall in line with my thinking.
The rolleyes come in when you claim that your feelings are the only truth and that ‘men’ are being mean to you by doing anything other than saying ‘yes, ma’am’ to every word and supporting your subsequent demands.
I’ll step out of this thread bow and leave it to the women’s drum circle to complain about us evil men who just don’t understand. :rolleyes:
You don’t understand the concept of dismissive, do you?
Can’t you see that that is what you just doubled down with there? I don’t think you understand this. It’s that “don’t worry honey, you don’t have to look if you don’t want to” thing that is the problem. You’re minimizing their concerns in their eyes. You’re not taking them seriously. Trust me, they are serious. Just think about this.