Slam Dunk Argument Against An Omnimax God?

It may well be, but your opponents aren’t playing basketball so it’s moot.

Perhaps an omnimax could feel emotions if it chose too, but emotions are only useful to the non-perfect. Fear is useful for survival, love/lust for reproduction, etc. An omnimax would have no use for that stuff.

Don’t be fooled by the fact that emotions can be fun. If a perfect being could be having fun, or having more fun, that would mean it’s not quite perfect, right? By definition, an omnimax doesn’t feel fun, or perhaps is already having the maximum amount of fun. Omnifun!!!

snail god fears no ionic compounds of any pairing.

Volcanoes and tornadoes and lighning are the classic examples of evil. Stuff that humans do? That can be shown as god’s fault too by the handy disproof of free will, but why bother when god’s smiting things directly?

Or allowing the natural bolts to strike.

Think what you wish, all will be revealed in the end.

Vague bluster without evidence.

I don’t follow the logic…among other things, an angry God cannot be an omnimax God? Perhaps, you are saying an angry god cannot be all-loving, but are there not times when a parent is angry at the child, and yet loves the child just the same? (Couldn’t an omnimax God feel all emotions simultaneously?)

I used to offer a playful argument that I am God similar to the OP’s.

God knows everything.

So God knows what it is like to be me.

The only way to know what it is like to be something is to be that thing.

So God is me.

So I am God.

Yes, the things you mention may be a fraction of the total emotion of Love, Love shattered into pieces. The opposite of Love is apathy, which is the absents of Love, not hate.

Whether God feels hatred or apathy doesn’t matter, since either would place Him squarely in the Not Perfect Love camp.

Can He not feel all things at once, with Love being the dominating emotion?

You’ve been here long enough to be unsurprised by the thousands of irradiated wasps headed your way. :cool:

The God you worship feels nothing but hate and anger. My cite is the Book of Genesis.

Didn’t bother reading the entire thread. Just the OP.

God is described as furious, vengeful, etc throughout the Old Testament. We already know he can experience emotion. Especially the negative kind.

Threadshit much?

I think we’re in agreement, but I’m not sure. Let me try again.

An omniscient god must know all about anger, hate, etc. One aspect of knowledge is direct experience. So the omniscient God can’t be all-loving and therefore can’t be Omnimax. He can know all there is to know about love, but He is bigger than that.

Sure. But that’s not omnimax.

You are using the word “know” in two separate senses here. Your first three mentions use it in the sense of “has knowledge of”, “understands”, “has learnt extensively about”, that is has objective knowledge about. The last three you use it in the biblical sense of “directly feels”, “has personal experience of”, that is has subjective experience of.

A better argument IMO is that if there were any omnimax being, their existence would be absolutely unarguable, unmissable by any level of observation of the world and universe, and atheism simply couldn’t exist (aside from maybe someone born with locked-in syndrome, extreme mental illness, or an extreme level of obtuseness or perversity). It would be as obvious and unarguable as an erupting volcano in the middle of town. The existence of an omnimax being must affect every aspect of the natural world such that their existence is the only explanation of otherwise inconsistent or impossible observations. Instead we find ourselves in a universe which is perfectly explicable by natural forces to the limit of our current observational ability.

Askance Why couldn’t an Omnimax God (or rather, a near-Omnimax God, since OG is self-negating) be a Deist?

I think the answer to that is POE. But other than that, I see how a Near-Omnimax God would conflict with physics, astronomy or other observational sciences.

How not? It would be required for God to feel everything at once to be omnimax.

I don’t think so. We are discussing the nature of God, and the nature of the deity kanicbird worships seems relevant. If we were, say, talking about whether the Virgin Birth is a necessary component to Christian belief, and out of nowhere I began talking about abortion rights, that would be threadshitting.