Having cleared that up, at least we’re in agreement that you are absolutely correct that there is no real threat of genocide in Israel by Iran because the Israelis are not fleeing Israel?
Not even close to what I said, you lying sack of shit.
For now, yes. Israel has a ten-megaton insurance policy against that. That’s why Iran sends proxies like Hamas to pick away at them rather than attacking them directly.
By your own logic, Israeli Jews should just leave first.
If there were a chance of Israel falling, then that would be prudent. Wouldn’t you agree? Standing your ground to the last man makes for a good story but it’s not very practical.
Then we should give nukes to Gaza so they have genocide protection too!
Or, hear me out, the rest of the world applies pressure as needed to prevent genocide?
Perhaps a world where everyone has nukes would be a lot more peaceful in general. Ukraine would probably be doing a lot better if they had nukes, for instance. I’d prefer not to test it out.
How’s that working out on China?
And replacement with what? Who do you imagine controlling Gaza after Hamas has been eliminated, whether that is even possible. The elimination of Hamas won’t make the Palestinians accept the existence of Isreal. If Hamas is eliminated it will be replaced by some other anti-Israeli insurgency fueled by even greater hatred. you can’t bomb someone into not hating you. Well you can, but only if you kill every last one of them. Which bring us back to Netanyahu’s apparent plan.
Things would be very different indeed if Israel was offering Gazans a path to Israeli citizenship, or was acting jointly with Fatah.
~Max
The Chinese War on Terrorists, that sounds vaguely familiar?
They’ve closed the concentration camps, so - while not perfect - there’s progress.
While we’re whatabouting, whatabout you constantly misrepresenting what others say and ignoring their words to defend your love of dead babies?
Smapti’s ok with this. Israel’s cause is just, and all that. Because otherwise they’d just run away from their open-air prison.
At first, a transitional government backed by a multinational peacekeeping force, ideally consisting of NATO members and their Arab allies. For obvious reasons, Israel should not be the face of the occupation - the TG should be lead by a representative from one of the Arab constitutional monarchies, such as Jordan or Morocco, since they’re more stable and liberal. During this phase the prime goal would be rebuilding infrastructure, maintaining order, disarming the population, preventing the flow of new arms into Gaza, and apprehending any Hamas leaders still at large.
After the locality has been stabilized, hold a referendum under international supervision and allow the Gazans to decide between full independence or reuniting with the PA government in the West Bank, and if they choose the former, the TG should draft a constitution along the lines of Japan’s postwar constitution that foreswears war and establishes a neutral zone between Gaza and Israel to protect them from one another, ultimately leading to the election of a sovereign government that has no ill intent towards Israel.
Providing the Gazans with a far better life than Hamas ever could, however, will.
You first.
It really doesn’t work that way. If someone destoryed your home and killed your family, you don’t suddenly think they are OK guys just because they give you an Iphone and a new pair of sneakers.
And yet, the end of WWII was not followed by generations of Germans and Japanese carrying out a guerilla campaign against the Allies.
Just a thought, but maybe that had something to do with the Germans and Japanese each retaining sovereignty and self-determination in the nation-states of their ancestral homelands?
Once again, the Palestinians have fundamentally just as much right to sovereignty and self-determination as the Israelis do, irrespective of the terrorist and militant-resistance actions of some Palestinians. It’s indefensible to keep playing dumb about the crucial role of Israel’s persistent denial of Palestinian rights, in order to pretend that Palestinians just have some causeless irrational hatred of Israel that leaves Israelis no choice but to slaughter them indiscriminately.
Eventually. The occupation of Japan didn’t end until 1954, Germany the year later, and the last Allied forces didn’t pull out of West Berlin until the '90s. The reconstruction of Gaza is going to take time, as opposed to the “ceasefire and pull out right now, consequences be dammed” approach many people seem to want.
I agree. That’s why I want them to be liberated from Hamas.
They don’t. I don’t see the West Bank launching missile attacks or murdering kibbutzers, do you? Hamas is the problem, not the Palestinian people. Just like the Nazis were the problem, not the Germans, and the military/nobility/business alliance that ran Japan was the problem, not the Japanese people.
…and yet: we have over 100 children killed by the IDF since October the 7th in the West Bank. Over 9000 detained. Nearly 2000 people, 78% of them children, have been displaced in home demolitions. 829 Settler attacks on Palestinians.
Is that what you get when they aren’t even launching any missiles? Don’t people in the West Bank have the right to defend themselves?
This “far better life” is a fantasy. Hamas wasn’t responsible for the Nakba. Hamas aren’t in control of the West Bank. Israeli apartheid existed well before Hamas even existed.