Snakes and their gift of flight

Four times now it’s happened. Personally experiencing man’s ability to fly. True, it would be nice if the skill was imparted on a more permanent basis but the sheer entrancement of the experience makes one reticent to complain about any aspect of it, whether it be duration, setting, altitude, degree of visibility, whatever.

The first time was in Alabama. Alabama or Florida, not sure exactly which because the state line was rather ill marked in what was classically known as dense swamp. Collecting samples with a co-worker and looking back at him talking while I walked, my gaze returned forward to see a large water moccasin, head raised and with mouth open, about to strike my leg. So I flew. Straight up and then, as seemed prudent at the time, hovered for a bit until a suitable landing spot was identified and gently, deftly, returned to Earth so I could bleed off the year’s accumulation of adrenaline. Nevertheless, you then knew you had the power, which was pretty choice.

The second time in the rugged back trails of the Guadalupes it was a coachwhip that sent moi to impressive heights. Tired and plodding down a trail, he inspired me to new vigor as I chose elevation as a means of avoiding his strike. I’d seen one chase an entire cabin of us campers before and knew mere blazing speed was no defense. While I looked down on him from above, laid out horizontal as if reclining on an airy magic carpet, it became apparent no landing site was available but that one could outsmart him by tumbling ass over teakettle down a steep incline, something he’d surely be too scardy to emulate. Wuss.

Toward dusk one evening, I leapt over some brush near the top of a large, stone dam and landed on one of many small boulders, crossed my legs and lowered my tail to butt a rock and observe the last of the sunset. As if on cue, the instant my cheeks touched the rock the angry rattle from the big diamondback, which sounded about a foot from my spine, resulted in possibly the greatest athletic maneuver of my then seemingly too short life. Without looking back and with a heretofore unknown ease I raised and flew backwards in perfect retraction of how I’d arrived in the first place, thus leaving two palpitating animals in a much better frame of mind.

Then yesterday, I learned yet another reason to keep your golf ball drive long and straight. From center to margin, there’s the fairway, then the short rough, then the long rough and then the water moccasins. Again with the moccasins. Dedgummit, I hate the moccasins. Even if your left arm remains unbent and your grip true, it’s hard to hit the ball when you’re streaking well up into the air. Maybe he’d chased my errant drive thinking it was some delectable albino toad or an escaped lab rat but midway through my backswing an amorphous mass suddenly identified itself as “coiled snake” and here we go again, soaring to new heights.

So while I freakin’ hate wild, poisonous snakes with killer camo as they periodically conflict with my carefree, pedestrian nature, they do let you fly, which is kinda cool in a heart pounding, terror invoking, leg or other extremity possibly debilitating manner. I suppose the view could be improved. It’s not near as 360 as you’d presume. It’s very focused. It’s long minutes, seemingly fortnights, of rapt, HD focus on the head and strike perimeter of a fanged, serpentine reptile. Other than that, nailing takeoffs and landings is pretty cool… and you absolutely, positively don’t have to wait to solo.

Despite my life-long affection for snakes, particularly those with rattles, I agree that it is startling, to put it mildly, to encounter a venomous snake in the wild even when you are looking for them. I can’t claim that I’ve ever achieved levitation or flight, but I have been frozen with one foot in the air and changed direction with improbable and uncharacteristic agility a few times.

I thought this thread was going to be about… you know… snakes… on a plane.

Heh, I love 'em too under controlled conditions. I badgered my poor parents unmercifully when I was a kid to let me have a rainbow boa, as several friends of the family owned various flavors of constrictors. They’re right there with the sharks and crocks as one of natures more perfect, enduring animals.

But so help me God I get a bone-jarring rush of adrenaline when I suddenly come across the venomous ones in the wild. Rattlesnakes seem pretty reserved actually, in that they’d rather warn than engage. While the Copperhead’s bite can be nasty, I’ve never seen one on the warpath as they’re pretty shy. Same for the coral snake, not to mention you’ve darn near got to shove a small piece of flesh in their face and give 'em time to chew to realize any danger, what with them not being a viper.

But cottonmouth water moccasins… those are aggressive, ugly, foul-smelling, intemperate, scare me silly beasts. When I saw that one two days ago I darn near shed my own skin.
ETA: Mangetout, am I the only one who’s never seen that movie? My disinclination to do so probably comes as no great surprise.

I have HAD it with those muthafuckin’ snakes!

Would you settle for snakes… on a plain?

A few years ago, our daughter went to the nearby pond with friends. They came home with the cutest little snake. It was a young one, and quite the friendly and personable little fellow! They were sitting in my living room with the snake, being very gentle with it, letting it slither around their hands, arms and necks, talking to it, giving it light little kisses on its cute little head, etc.
It seemed rather tired, or as tired as a snake might get after slithering around for half an hour, or so, and I decided to take over and get it away from the kids. I let it rest on my neck and shoulder for awhile, before we returned it back to the pond.

I decided to check out what kind of snake it might be, so, I fired up the computer.
Wow. What did I find after checking several different sites, and calling the local DNR?
It was a young Cottonmouth.
Needless to say, I gingerly removed the snake from the comfortable resting spot on my neck and shoulder, placed it into a very large bucket, and off we went to the pond, to put it back in the natural habitat from whence it came!

That put an end to the bringing home of snakes after that.

Does anybody have a spare Valium?

Note to self: never, NEVER open threads like this before breakfast. I am now white as a sheet, nauseated and having my own vicarious adrenalin fest.
I hate snakes and fear them (I don’t want to kill them; I just want to not see them). Why I opened this thread I’ll never know. I did enjoy the OP’s story… it was the one with the baby cottonmouth that has left me shivering.

(I’ve never seen that movie either, but for other, obvious, reasons).

I haven’t seen it either, and it’s pretty far down on my list of priorities - well. really far down.

Crotalus, you’ve mentioned capturing venomous snakes and performing extractions, plus being witness to others being bit. Is there any one (or several for that matter) that really puts you on edge? If so, would it be because of their temperament and physical skills or because of an inordinate toxicity of venom?

While close encounters with moccasins have left an especially bad taste in my mouth, the mere sight of a Gabon viper makes me weak in the knees. I have no idea why but thick-bodied snakes really seem to inspire a special fear in me.

Wow. Just wow.

The only species of venomous snake which frightened me enough to cause me to lose my composure was a black mamba . Black mambas have very powerful venom, are very large, and they move like lightning. They are also among the most aggressive snakes. While working at the venom lab, I had to handle just about every species of venomous snake, as well as some pretty serious spiders, so I obviously was pretty comfortable around these animals. Then we got our first contract for black mamba venom, and received a shipment of mambas from our African supplier. These snakes were moved from the shipping crates to their cages on a day when I was not present. The next day three of us went in to do some extracting. When we entered the snake room, a nine foot long black mamba went shooting across the floor and climbed a rack of cages. We began to remove cages from the racks to look for the snake. While I was peering in between some cages away from where the mamba had disappeared, the snake came flying out from between the cages, raced right across my shoulder, and disappeared again between more cages. A coworker who witnessed the lunge said that it was a strike, that the snake’s mouth was open. I didn’t see that, but I did nearly “soil my armor.” At that point, another coworker reported that he had found the cage from which our mamba had escaped, and that there were three of them loose. I then went outside, telling my buddies that there wasn’t enough money in the world to get me back in there while those mambas were loose. I worked at the lab for another year or so, and I extracted venom from black mambas, but they spent a little time, cages and all, in the refrigerator before I touched them. It calmed them down a bit.

Gaboon vipers and the closely related rhinoceros viper are frightening in appearance but among the easiest of venomous snakes to handle. They are fairly docile, and their heads are so large and distinct from the neck that they are easy to grasp and control. They are quite strong, so maintaining one’s grip requires strength and concentration, but they are much easier to handle than some of the more slender species whose heads are similar in diameter to their necks, like coral snakes.

In the wild, the two scariest encounters I’ve had were with a cottonmouth and a coral snake. Separate incidents, of course. The cottonmouth was in a swamp in north Florida. I encountered it while I was wading through knee-deep water among some trees with a couple of guys. It took us a half hour to get that snake into a bag, during the course of which it bit everything it could reach, including a stump, our snake hooks, and itself. While we were trying to subdue this snake, and after, we guessed that it was five feet long, which is big for a cottonmouth. When we got it back to the lab the following week we measured it. Three feet ten inches. Not even experts can accurately judge a snake’s length. :slight_smile: While hunting along a roadside, again in north Florida, I ran into a fairly large eastern coral snake. This was during the hottest part of the day, and this snake was the craziest snake I’ve ever tried to catch. It thrashed like nothing I’ve ever seen. I managed to bag it without pinning it, but it was a frightening experience.

Another frightening experience for me at the venom lab was the whole period during which we extracted from olive sea snakes. At the time, there was no specific anti venom for any of the sea snake species. The venom to fulfill our contract was to be used to develop the first commercial anti venom (although I think the preferred term at that time was antivenin). For the other species that we extracted venom from, we maintained a supply of anti venom at the lab, which we would take to the hospital with us if one of us was bitten. So, for a couple of months, we were doing weekly extractions from a species for with we had no antidote. Had we been bitten, the doctors would have had to concoct a series of injections which addressed the individual components of the venom, instead of using a specific antibody-based serum. Those were months of hyper-alertness at the lab.

Crotalus, I want to be you when I grow up.

My gosh, that’s one of the most bad ass posts I’ve ever read. If our country ever runs out of titanium, the defense department is probably going to want to mine your nuts.

No, they’d want the nuts of my two coworkers who stayed in there that day and caught those bastards. They both now work at the National Aquarium in Baltimore. Remember, I chickened out.

See - you email me about this thread and now there’s iced tea all over my damn keyboard - curse you lieu!!

**Crotalus **- I don’t know which would’ve happened first if I was in your position - fainting, puking from fear, soiling myself, or just going straight to the death portion of our program. You do, in fact, have 'nads of steel.

Did, perhaps. There are many things I did then that I wouldn’t do now. I haven’t tried to put a wild venomous snake into a bag for many years. When I see one now, I control it with a snake hook long enough to take a picture. I haven’t extracted venom from a snake since around 1978. But the memories are nice.

I think you may be one of the few Dopers who, when thinking back to the time you had a large black mamba caressing your shoulder, you are actually referring to a snake… ;)*

*okay, my snark wasn’t of lieu-like quality, but I am trying here!!

WordMan, I read his post and just got the chills. Had to share, buddy.

Crotalus, do you wear a fair bit of protective material when handling the dangerous ones? Did you have a mask or anything on when the striking mamba flew past your face? That image just gives me the willies.

Pretty amazing too about your eastern coral. I’d assumed they were docile because the one I’d seen by an Austin stream was laying quietly next to a kid (who didn’t even know it was there) and swam away quietly once he knew we spotted him. His coloration was unforgettable.

Wish you’d been with us when we found a huge eastern diamondback near a peanut field. This was actually the day after the first cottonmouth near got me. The diamondback was a huge lump near a game trail but so perfectly camouflaged I’d have stepped on him had my companion not gasped “My gosh, that’s the biggest snake I’ve ever seen.” He reared up several feet high and pegged our stick several times and we observed a scary amount of venom running down its length. Thank goodness we’d no designs to put him in a bag.

Incredible creatures but these encounters do little to benefit my good sleep.