The OP wrote a long post. There may have been one-line zingers directed at it but there were also substantive questions raised about how, if white millennials are indeed defecting to the GOP in droves because they’re being oppressed by progressives or something, how this is something unique to just the last two years. And moreover, evidence was presented that it is not, in fact, happening at all. If you don’t like the original long-term trends I presented in the Pew report from 2016, you can see in the new Pew survey from last March that millennials continue to congregate around the Democratic party more than ever. So your analysis of this discussion is incorrect.
Large followings? Please.
Speaking of sneering, this Senate candidate questioned the “cognitive thought process” of veterans who consider voting for the other party.
The Senate candidate is Republican, and the other party is of course the Dems.
I see shit like this from the right, about Dems, day in and day out.
But I’m sure that that’s drowned out by all the podcasts.
People aren’t all good or all evil, Grrr!, with few exceptions.
it is perfectly possible to go help people out in an emergency and still be a racist.
Jesus, what an asshole:
Speaking of mediocre white guys, exhibit A.
It’s not hard to accept, but in order to come up with a solution one must first correctly identify the problem. As already noted, progressives could all cease to say anything even mildly challenging about their political opposites and it wouldn’t change a damn thing. The Dems absolutely need to come up with a positive message - but they also need a counterstrategy to the negative messages of the other side.
In the last election the topic Clinton spoke most about was jobs - a topic which directly related to the white working class - yet the message those voters heard was the one from the GOP: “The Democrats don’t care about you! All they care about are urban criminals and transgendered perverts!”. Part of the problem was certainly that Clinton was a poor (and incredibly uncharismatic) candidate who didn’t focus her attention on the right states, but the full-on campaign of bullshit from the Trump side of the fence (aided, we now know, by the Russian troll brigade) had a lot more to do with the false narrative overwriting the true one.
Solutions? I don’t have one, and I don’t have a lot of confidence that the Democrats fully understand the problem, let alone have a solution either. But I’m pretty sure “Let’s stop calling out ignorant assholes for being ignorant assholes” isn’t their top priority, particularly as the ignorant asshole vote isn’t really up for grabs at the moment. The Dems need to focus on the redeemables, not the deplorables, and I’m yet to be convinced anyone claiming to be “driven” to the GOP was ever in the redeemable camp, no matter their weak protestations.
AMEN.
I find it rather disingenuous when people say they’ll vote Republican if the Democrats don’t stop insulting them. Because if someone claims they’d vote for the Republicans with all of their fear mongering and racism and negative policies just because they were called ‘racist’ by someone, they were pretty much planning to vote Republican already.
Someone is doing some good analysis.
No. Geeze. Get your conservative talking points straight. We’d still believe there were no-go zones in Germany, because Angela Merkel admitted it.
We tend to forget how many people want to think of themselves as open-minded, non-partisan centrists. When the case against one side becomes as strong as it has in recent times, they have to believe that it isn’t, that its a partisan exaggeration. That if you set aside the hysterical partisanship of his opponents, Il Douche isn’t really all that bad.
Reminds me of Mark Twain talking about people who believe that Truth is a mighty force that will always prevail. That there’s nothing wrong with that except it just ain’t so.
How do you define a “no go area”?
Define it anyway you like, long as you can prove it.
We’ll use Merkel’s rather obvious description: “Areas where nobody dares to go.”
Well, since this is directly contradicted by the Pew poll the previous month, which showed strong support for Democrats among Gen-Xers and milllennials – overwhelmingly so among millennials – I presume that “good analysis” means “results that I like, even though they’re wrong”.
Incidentally, I just noticed that I forgot to cite that poll my post #35, so the above is the first link to it.
We have areas like that in America too. In fact there is an app Waze that I believe got some bad press for guiding drivers around just such areas.
Having areas where people are afraid to go is a problem anywhere there is poverty and enough people moving about.
Including police?
Sounds like a policing issue.
Well to skip to the point, it sounds like Angela Merkel had no idea how the alt-right uses the term. Sounds to me like she was describing high crime areas where civilians are afraid to go. But here’s how a Fox News expert described it:
I’m just curious which definition Ashtura uses, and whether or not he believes Merkel was using the same definition.
If there are a bunch more polls that have the same results, and the Democrats lose in 2018, and exit polls show that it was largely because most young white voters voted Republican, then I will certainly reassess and strongly consider that my understanding was very wrong. But one poll isn’t reason to do that, not when the special elections have been so overwhelmingly good for the Democrats, as well as many, many other polls showing that young white voters have a strong preference for the Democrats for Congress.
This just seems more of the same third-way, sky-is-falling-because-progressives, white-working-class, etc., that we see in every election. We very occasionally – after '08 and '12 – see some few arguments that maybe the Republicans ought to try and reach out to non-white voters, but this “Democrats must stop being so damn progressive” – meaning ignore the concerns of non-straight white men – is brought out every election. I’m all for reaching out to the concerns of poor and middle class white voters, except when it conflicts with moral policies for others. And for those white voters who don’t want black, brown, Muslim, LGBT, etc., in their communities, there’s no possibility of reaching them without abandoning all those black, brown, etc. voters, which I’m certainly unwilling to do.
This statistic doesn’t surprise me. The Republican Party panders to white men. It’s not surprising when some white men decide they like being pandered to.