You mean the free city of parts of Chicago.
And the 10th amendment is a dead amendment. What legal authority do states have to secede?
Well a big part of the problem nowadays is the immense disparity in electoral votes and senators between the small states and the big ones.
North and South Dakota and Wyoming each have 500-600,000 people, 2 senators and 3 electoral votes. Meanwhile California has nearly 39 million people, almost 23 times the number of people in those 3 states combined, yet has the same 2 senators and 55 electoral votes.
38.8 million people, 55 electoral votes = 1 per 705,000 people.
1.7 million people in 3 states, 9 electoral votes = 1 per 189,000 people.
But of course, there’s absolutely no chance anyone is going to agree to change the makeup of the Senate and their distribution. We might have better luck abolishing the Electoral College (which would still require an Amendment), but after winning two elections while losing the popular vote (2004 and 2016), I doubt very much that the Republicans would be too keen on this.
Another option is breaking up California, which has been proposed on several occasions. But it is still unlikely to split into more than 3 states.
Or Seattle, or Hawaii. You do realize you’re not our only access to the Pacific, right?
Since we’re spit balling and we have a new president that might just go with this idea. The US could use strategic nukes along the San Andreas fault, let California set sail, creating a whole new coastline.
I don’t personally remember that time when part of the nation decided to secede after a big Republican presidential win, but I hear that it didn’t turn out well.
If California goes, odds are that Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, and Nevada would join us.
We don’t have to secede, we just get Congress to kick us out.
Good point about Hawaii et al.
Calexit Q&A:
LOL
Good riddance!
If you’re gonna be homeless, where better than sunny California?
California ain’t going anywhere.
I’ll handle it. :mad:
Actually, I’ve thinking about this. My assumption was that it would California, Oregon, Washington and maybe Nevada as a block. I was wondering if Northern Illinois might be able to join them, or if it would be prudent to buy some cheap house in western Oregon (on assumption that housing process would be low there).
But, so what if the Constitution says a state can’t secede? Suppose the west coast states (plus maybe Nevada) say, “We don’t care. We’ve had it – we’re out of here.” What happens then? The army invades?
I was out Tuesday evening with friends. The election results weren’t all in yet, but it looked dire. One in our party said, “You know, we liberals have 2nd amendment rights, too.” A friend of my husband tried to convince me years ago that I should get a shotgun since husband travels a lot for work. For the first time I found myself seriously considering it.
Peace out, Cali. Good luck getting the water you need.
In 1861 I argued vociferously on telegraph message boards against doing anything to prevent the CSA from seceding. Time has shown that I was right.
That’s the Free State of Northern Illinois. Downstate went for Trump. Then we can, along with Minnesota and parts of Wisconsin, petition to be absorbed by Ontario, though Ottawa, IL may need to change its name since it’s about as populous as its namsake.
That really is a pity.
I’d imagine combining all of the left coast would be more feasible, and we could get water from up north with the greatest water distribution system ever built that would ensure California had enough water to plant to ever higher limits.
Not that I am thinking any of this through with increased seriousness… not at all, I WELCOME being a citizen of Trump nation…
I forgot about Hawaii, we’ll take that too, they’re nice and blue.
California, Oregon, Washington State, Hawaii…
We’ll leave Trumpland Alaska for pacific ocean access. It’s got GREAT ports, and is still part of the US until Trump makes a “deal” and gives it to Russia.
Northern Illinois has plenty of water with, despite the pleas of California, no way of sharing it that does not involve teleportation. Sucks to be them. Shouldn’t’ve tried to make a desert bloom. Here, we need vast amounts of plumbing to make it dry enough to plow.
Three words for ya, babe:
De
Salin
Ization.
That may be your assumption, but it doesn’t appear to be one shared by the #CalExit movement. They’re talking about a ballot measure in 2018 in California, but not Oregon, Washington, or Hawaii.
We’ve got far more water than black conservatives, and with enough energy we can get as much as we want from the oceans. Maybe that can be used to build a new foundation of salt brine to build cities upon with the rise in sea level from the emissions from Trumpland.
I can see the future of an independent California now.
http://thefabweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/City_of_Coreing_by_Rahakasvi-610x334.jpg
We have the elites pulling revenue from all over the world, universal basic income raising the incomes of the people on the bottom, more prosperous society overall.
I now dub the new movement…
#PacificRexit
from pacific rim… get it?
I live in California and people are fighting desalinization plants and insist on conservation only.