We had a discussion of Jameis Winston at Florida State:
The New York Times reports another case–about a hit-and-run accident:
But surely everyone agrees that the success of the football team is much more important than a trivial thing like this???
As a former Tallahassee resident, I’m mainly amused that the footage of crash apparently also had apparently had footage of an unrelated crime happening at the same time.
The real tragedy is that the poor kid has to work at Olive Garden.
Large national newspaper sends a team of “journalists” to a southern college town to live for 12 months and all they come up with is a specious accusations of a hit and run, BB guns, and Burger King soda fountains. Exactly what they went to J-School for, right? Never mind ISIS, budget deficits, war, famine, Al Qaeda, and Ebola this is the important story!
Specially as it relates to this case,
So this is routinely done in Tallahassee. Everyone in Tallahassee has thought the TPD was completely inept, different from corrupt, since forever. But you send a big-time newspaper there and look for incidents and do FOIA on FSU football players and you will find them. Just as you would in Happy Valley, Tuscaloosa, New Orleans, The Plains, Athens, etc. etc. So yes, Water is Wet.
- Why don’t we send the NYT to Oklahoma to find out why the 5 Star RB who broke a woman’s jaw because he punched her so hard isn’t sitting in jail and why no one from the football town will release the tape? Hereis one salient reaction:
Guerin Emig @GuerinEmig Have seen Joe Mixon tape a 3rd time. Mixon punch knocks victim to floor immediately. She’s down for :30, stands, wobbles, helped to chair.
- Why don’t we go to Tuscaloosa to find out why a football player with 4 ounces of weed and $6,000 in cash in his dorm room wasn’t arrested?
- Or why don’t we go on the plains to find out why a QB, Nick Marshall, whom was thrown out of one university for stealing from a teammate goes to another and gets pulled over with pot and only gets a traffic ticket and only has to miss a half of football? Yet the mob screamed and cried when Winston only missed a half for cursing (later changed to a full game because the FSU Admin are cowards)
- Why don’t talk about Zach Mettenburger pleading guilty to sexual assault? Or he’s white so it’s cool?
Basically if you want to play big-boy football, this shit goes on (STFU Notre Dame your coach fucking killed a boy). It’s easy to attack FSU right now because:
- They just keep winning
- Drives ratings
So what you’re saying, dgrdfd, is that you went to FSU? That’s an odd way to brag.
Or he could have gone to Oklahoma and have a student-athlete knock them out with his bare fists.
I did not go to FSU.
Joe Mixon was arrested and charged and received probation in a plea deal. The football team suspended him for an entire season.
The video is a matter of public record and will eventually be released due to FOIA requests.
No one, except you, as far as I know, has suggested that the Norman Police or the Cleveland County DA has acted leniently in the case.
You can certainly make the case that the University of Oklahoma should have cut ties with player.
So exactly how many wrongs are you saying it takes to make a right?
I think that college football players do tend to escape punishment where others would be punished, and that at FSU apparently far moreso than any other current school, since the University makes sure the police never investigate alleged crimes no one can ever know what happened.
But there is a larger college student population that I would argue does get away with stuff they shouldn’t. Rapes at frat houses, assaults, destruction of property, a lot of that gets punished meekly in comparison to what would happen if a 19 year old kid who wasn’t enrolled in college did any of those things. I think a 19 year old in college is often viewed as a kid, a 19 year old who isn’t, is recognized as the legal adult that he is.
Emphasis added.
While I certainly am not proud of Tallahassee or FSU as this stuff continues to come to light, I think the bolded part is still in question. How many other schools have been subject to the kinds of investigative resources currently being focused on FSU? Until that happens at a number of major schools and nothing (or not as much) is found, I think that remains an open issue.
Again, this is not to excuse the embarrassing incidents that have come out so far, as mentioned upthread, two wrongs don’t make a right.
I think he’s saying that yes, “college football students” are above the law, and no, it isn’t just at FSU, it’s happening everywhere, and therefore it’s no big deal. Or something.
…which sounds suspiciously like the “Democrats/Republicans do it too!” deflection gambit, which immediately raises suspicion about why he’s white-knighting Free Shoes U. It’s only natural to assume that he was obfuscating things because he’s trying to back his favorite football team.
If he’s not a FSU fan it’s a really weird thing to say.
Yeah, how dare anybody make references to problems at Pedophile State, the University of Florida Gangsters, Texas Autograph & Monetize (and it’s recent franchise deal with the team in Athens), or any of the other schools that have been pointed out? FSU’s primary problem right now is not that we do it, it’s that we’re terrible at covering it up.
No, FSU is the current black hat and thus it’s cool to demonize us right now. Fine, what goes around comes around and as soon as somebody else gets good, the vultures will circle.
Going to the topic question, no, it isn’t just FSU. It’s just that FSU is in some medias’ headlights now. Maybe they’re not doing as good a job of hiding stuff as other universities do.
Ohio State is #1!!!
The Ohio State University, that is.
Ummm, isn’t the point of this pit thread that FSU has been pretty good at covering it [bad behavior of their players] up?
Is this something to be proud of?
That’s kind of outdated. Please update to Free Seafood U.
Well this latest one lasted about a month, so the cycle is shortening pretty quickly.
A couple of post earlier I specifically said that I wasn’t proud of our behavior, I just can’t stand the self-righteous stone throwing from glass-house dwellers. Any time the microscope is applied, stuff is found.
The whole system is corrupt and while FSU is part of the system (and thus corrupt), it doesn’t mean that FSU is worse than any other part of the system.
In other words, hate the game, not the player.
It’s more than just college, it’s part of the football culture, I think.