:rolleyes: Please. Notice how you had to leave out the rest of his post. :rolleyes:
I think you’re safe enough.
WTF is wrong with you?
Murder can be justified. Rape never is. Ever. Also, rape doesn’t happen because a woman is beautiful. Rape happens because the rapist is fucked up.
Oh, you mean the part where he said “lol j/k”? The part I quoted was the only relevant part: Where Shodan admitted what a truly disgusting waste of biomass he is, by conceding that he can actually see someone’s physical attractiveness as an excuse to commit one of the most horribly abusive acts possible against them. Thumbs up, buddy–stay classy. Tune in next week, where **Shodan **enlightens us on how he sometimes gets why the KKK lynches niggers, especially when the neighbor kids play their rap music so damned loud.
Also, I think you dropped a few of these, so have some more just in case you need them: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Hrm, remind me which of us has never submitted a picture anywhere? How’s lonely life the in parents’ basement, Mr. Fat ‘n’ Ugly?
Oh, buckety had his picture up, but then got freaked out when it came out that people might, you know, actually see it.
What? How is that different from “I can understand the desire to rob a bank” or “I can understand the desire to kill your irritating neighbor”? Everyone has uncivilized impulses and desires, whether we give in to them or not.
Some of you seem to be confusing “comprehension” with “endorsement.” Cheap shots like this make thoughtful discussion on topics like this difficult. Clearly Shodan is not endorsing rape.
He never said physical attractiveness was an excuse to rape someone. He said he can, on some level, see the desire.
Hello shitkicker, wtf is wrong with your brain? Shodan actually conceded that? In this thread? Where?
For the record, I see why people want to murder, rape, shoot heroin, smoke crack, spit on sidewalks etc. Did I just excuse those behaviors as well?
Jesus Christ, what a tit-a-ma-boob!
I think though, in a lot of ways, this case is another piece of evidence towards the theory that rape is not about attraction or desire, it’s about power. Sure, you have to be pretty damned pathetic if they only people you can exert power over are severely disabled people in wheelchairs and diapers, but raping people in any case is pretty damned pathetic already. You get guys saying “I can sorta see the attraction” when it’s a pretty woman, but in this case, it’s…I don’t know the best word, but “distilled” comes close. There’s no beauty distracting from the real motivation, there’s no putting a notch on the bedpost for these guys, it’s simply about their own frustrations and need for some semblance of power over someone, anyone.
Thats fucked up. You are so intent on being shrill about something you cant even stop to think about it rationally. Its pure message board knee-jerk blathering. Even retards know Shodan wasnt advocating rape, excusing rape, or even lusting for rape, he was just stating that on an analytical level he can understand the drivers of rape. If you werent so wrapped up in being a fucking harpy you would have accepted the comment at face value like everybody else did.
Guns, you are like a bad puppy, running around yapping at everything, shitting on the carpet, and generally getting in the way. Heres a bone, Spectre of Pithecanthropus' mod note in Pyongyang Metro thread [Edited Title] - About This Message Board - Straight Dope Message Board, Important message board drama is happening in ATMB right now, go chew on that for a while and give the rest of us some peace and quiet.
So anyway, now that we’ve established nobody said rape is okay (whew!), yeah, that story is fucked up, although sadly not a low point for humanity. Also, I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought, “Holy shit, B-Real, they’ll send hookers to your room. You don’t have to rape anybody.”
Because there are circumstances where theft or murder might be okay (to feed your starving children, to defend a bucket of kittens). There is never, *ever, **ever ***any possible justification for rape. You can’t go around comparing it to other crimes or even other acts of violence.
That’s why *anybody *who says that they “can see, on some level, the desire to rape a good-looking woman” and simultaneously *not *understand the desire to rape a mentally retarded one is fucked up. Because it means that **Shodan **understands the desire to force his penis into the vagina of a woman who doesn’t want it there simply because he finds her attractive, for his sexual pleasure and her <injury/disgust/humiliation/mental trauma, take your fucking pick>. Not that he’d ever *do *it, but he *understands *it. Ergo, he’s fucking disgusting. Not that I didn’t already know that.
I’m not saying he deserves to be locked up or beaten to death or whatever–simply that he’s a pitiful excuse for a human being.
ETA: To clarify, my problem with **Shodan **is not that he gets on some level why someone would commit rape. It’s that he understands why someone would rape an attractive woman but not a mentally retarded or otherwise unattractive one. That’s what should clue you in that he is fucked up in the head.
Yes, yes, you have a massive hardon for me and feel the need to address me everywhere you see me appear. We get it already. I find you tedious, Mr. Fat ‘n’ Ugly. Go ask your mom for a stack of Lean Cuisines and leave me alone.
Not really, this is hardly the typical rape scenario. And at any rate as I’ve said in the past the whole “rape is always about power” theory just doesn’t hold up. Am I supposed to believe that some man who is completely ruthless won’t rape a woman he finds attractive without some agenda behind it? Am I supposed to beleive that a man who’ll rob, torture or murder a woman will draw the line at rape?
It’s based on the canard that men are all universally out to oppress women. The evidence is that it’s primarily about the reproductive instincts, anyway. Like rape in war; kill the males, rape the females, just like a lion taking over a pride.
Of course you can. And disgusting as rape is it is hardly beyond all comparison, there are other things as bad or worse. Torture and genocide come to mind.
I can see, on some level, the desire to torture people who are pissing you the hell off.
Well, then apparently I’m pretty fucked up, because that makes sense to me. There are commonly-attributed motivations for certain crimes, and in this case, none of those motivations seem to be present.
I apologize for being a chick, by the way, as it is going to make it hard for anyone to quote my post and then harp on me about wanting to fuck helpless women with my rapist penis. Can’t be helped.
Oh, no…it can be a lot worse:
We run a day program for developmentally disabled clients in California. A client we have served in the past was raped by a man she knew back in the 80s and she got pregnant and gave birth to a baby girl.
That baby girl (also with disabilities) was then raped by the same man in the 90s when she was a teenager. Man eventually was caught and prosecuted using DNA evidence since investigators generally have a tendency to disregard testimony from a disabled person as dubious when it comes to claims of rape or abuse, because sometimes it’s made up by some clients looking for attention…(even I had a client accuse me of raping her which was false). Sometimes, It really is hard to separate the truth from fiction…but a video (or DNA) certainly helps. The mother obviously had been raped because she was pregnant but for some reason that I don’t know about, he was still able to stay out of jail until the daughter got raped.
As for the 9 month period between discovery of the DVDs and coming out with the statement…I could possibly see that the police probably started looking county-wide trying to coordinate viewing the DVDs with the social caseworkers for each client in the DVD to get an identity of the client (which is protected by client confidentiality…that’s why the public wasn’t notified yet…maybe the police thought it prudent to get the client’s identity first, which would lead them to the residential facility, and surprise any workers in that facility that were the actual suspects). Problem is that there are thousands of clients, in hundreds if not thousands of facilities, being served by hundreds if not thousands of social workers who are supposed to advocate and look after them with a minimal requirement of ONE VISIT PER QUARTER. IMHO, this took far too long and with great risk to further assaults on the clients; this may have turned into something too big to handle without the public’s help. They finally identified 2 of 10 suspects, but their lack of progress has probably put the other 8 on the run with who knows how many more assaults in the mean time.
Unacceptable.
Consider the charming practice some places of raping infants under the theory that sex with a virgin cures AIDS.
My rational mind–the one I usually let dictate my actions–opposes capital punishment in any case.
My irrational mind would like to have rapists killed by emptying an M16 into their abdomen so they would be sure to feel some degree of excruciating pain before they took up residence in hell.
That same irrational mind would like to follow the above procedure with the men cited in the OP’s story, followed by the donation of the resulting corpses to some society for sadomasochistic necrophiliacs.